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#126 letsgoducksdotcom

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 08:28 AM

 

Wally Pipp agrees.

 

 

So here's the thing. You say it. You just don't mean it. 



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:37 AM

 

 

So here's the thing. You say it. You just don't mean it. 

 

If I were HCRC, I'd go Gibson/Bernier/Gibson/Bernier/Gibson to finish.

 

If they both play equally well, Gibson is in net Game 1 Round 1.

 

I think that is equitable.  Bernier may not think so, but his perspective is obviously skewed.

 

If Gibson falters, Bernier's in, and he does not come out, no matter what, unless he falters badly, i.e. costs the team a game.

 

They don't owe either of them anything but a paycheck, which they are both getting.  They owe the team, organization, and fans the best opportunity for success.  Period.



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:38 AM

Again, Im not saying playing Bernier is a wrong decision, hes playing lights out. I just find the whole situation... odd.


All 2 goalies playing well situations are odd.

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:42 AM

 

I think its different if 1 guy hasnt established himself, but Gibson, in my eyes, has done that. What kind of message does that send to the starter? "We traded another good goalie away because we have faith in you and you are our guy going forward, but if you get hurt and the backup gets hot, screw you."?

 

Bernier is the starter right now, though.  Albeit no fault of Gibson's, he has not been helping lead them on this run.  Bernier has.

 

It's why many people don't like to take long vacations from work.  If you're gone long enough and everything runs fine while you're away, well........



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:15 AM

Right now, Carlyle can't make a wrong decision on the goaltenders.

 

He can definitely get second-guessed if he starts either guy, but that would all be looking for an excuse and blaming his decision on the outcome, which is as red of a herring as you can get.

 

 

Looking at it objectively, either guy is a good and logical choice at this point, imo.  If you want to stick with the hot hand - which I think is HCRC's strategy - then Bernier is the guy.

 

If you want to go with the future in net, then it's Gibson. 

 

HCRC is going to try to win hockey games.  That's it.  And that's good, because that's his job.



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:41 AM

Now, same situation with Bruce behind the bench. Are people saying NBD or are they crucifying him because he "sucks at dealing with goalies."?



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:43 AM

Right now, Carlyle can't make a wrong decision on the goaltenders.

 

I think that's fair. Bernier is the choice I would make right now but I don't think Gibson is a bad choice.

 

This is one thing I can't really complain about either way unless it gets really screwy. I do question not putting Gibson in vs VAN though...



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:43 AM

Now, same situation with Bruce behind the bench. Are people saying NBD or are they crucifying him because he "sucks at dealing with goalies."?


Ain't that the truth!

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:44 AM

In the last 14 games - starting February 22 -, Bernier has allowed 2 or fewer goals in nine of them, and in the other five only allowed 3 goals (four of those five games were wins, btw).

 

So, in 14 straight games he gave his team a chance to win EVERY game.  That's what you need in the playoffs.

 

Sv% for those games:

 

BOS - .897  W

LAK - .906  L

TOR - .949  W

VAN - .926  L

NSH - .889  W

CHI - 1.000  W

WSH - .926  W

STL - .963  W

BUF - .968  OTL

SJS - .971  W

EDM - .906  W

WPG - .944   W

NYR - .893   W

VAN - .971  W


Now, same situation with Bruce behind the bench. Are people saying NBD or are they crucifying him because he "sucks at dealing with goalies."?

 

You would have to ask Troy.

 

Bernie gets the net if they end up in The Finals against MON, Gibson v. PIT.

 

If Booce is calling the shots.  And for sure Andersen gets the nod v. TOR.  No, wait......



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:52 AM

 

If I were HCRC, I'd go Gibson/Bernier/Gibson/Bernier/Gibson to finish.

 

If they both play equally well, Gibson is in net Game 1 Round 1.

 

I think that is equitable.  Bernier may not think so, but his perspective is obviously skewed.

 

If Gibson falters, Bernier's in, and he does not come out, no matter what, unless he falters badly, i.e. costs the team a game.

 

They don't owe either of them anything but a paycheck, which they are both getting.  They owe the team, organization, and fans the best opportunity for success.  Period.

 

I'm on board. 



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:52 AM

 

I'm on board. 

 

Of course, that's not what he's doing!  What do we know?!?!



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 12:00 PM

It's pretty surprising to me. I think that maybe RC is looking at insuring home ice. For sure if I want the goalie who is better odds to win TONIGHT it's Bernier. Maybe that's his approach?

 

Maybe he WANTS to piss of Gibson?

Maybe he thinks Bernier is the veteran presence we need in the playoffs? 

Maybe Bernier is his #1 goalie and he doesn't want to count on the oft-injured Gibson?

Maybe all those things?

 

As it stands now with back to backs I don't see Gibson getting more than two starts in the 5 to come after this one. It would for sure be not enough for me to start him game one. Unless Bernier falters.



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 12:06 PM

It's pretty surprising to me. I think that maybe RC is looking at insuring home ice. For sure if I want the goalie who is better odds to win TONIGHT it's Bernier. Maybe that's his approach?

 

Maybe he WANTS to piss of Gibson?

Maybe he thinks Bernier is the veteran presence we need in the playoffs? 

Maybe Bernier is his #1 goalie and he doesn't want to count on the oft-injured Gibson?

Maybe all those things?

 

As it stands now with back to backs I don't see Gibson getting more than two starts in the 5 to come after this one. It would for sure be not enough for me to start him game one. Unless Bernier falters.

 

It's for sure not his first rodeo.

 

Just his history with the Bryz/Jiggy situation in 2007 gives me some sense of calm.



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:40 AM

Good read:

 

https://www.nhl.com/...2?tid=278388320



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:54 PM

Definitely a good read. Coach to your player's strengths.






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