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#101 HockeyHeaven

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:29 AM

I don't think you can say that it was a guarantee that Eaves would get injured. Injuries are part of the game. It happens to everyone (except maybe Cogs); some more than others.

Any other player on the Ducks gets injured and you would easily chaulk it up to "that's hockey". Yet when Eaves gets injured you want to chaulk that up to "BM should have known this would happen". I don't think that's fair; that's 20/20 hindsight.

If Eaves had stayed healthy, you wouldn't be saying a thing about this.

 

While I agree that there was no way to "guarantee" Eaves would get injured, the guy in 12 seasons - all "full" seasons for him, no 10 game call-ups - has played 624 of a possible 984 games.



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:55 AM

I don't think you can say that it was a guarantee that Eaves would get injured. Injuries are part of the game. It happens to everyone (except maybe Cogs); some more than others.

Any other player on the Ducks gets injured and you would easily chaulk it up to "that's hockey". Yet when Eaves gets injured you want to chaulk that up to "BM should have known this would happen". I don't think that's fair; that's 20/20 hindsight.

If Eaves had stayed healthy, you wouldn't be saying a thing about this.

 

Go back and look at his history. Look at how many games hes played every single season. You want to paint this as 20/20 hindsight, 20/20 hindsight would mean I am only being reactionary, which is not the case.

 

Eaves is a health risk. There is no other way to put it. There is no wiggle room with him. Every single season, he misses games. Sometimes more significant than others, but he misses games and always has.

 

I stand by my comments in regards to his health. I saw the pattern when we traded for him, and the pattern held true.

 

 

Season         GP

2016-2017     79

2015-2016     54

2014-2015     47

2013-2014     30

2012-2013     34

2011-2012     10

2010-2011     63

2009-2010     65

2008-2009     74

2007-2008     37

2006-2007     73

2005-2006     58



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:38 AM

Devil's advocate: 79 games is essentially a full season. He has been healthy for the whole season, at the time we got him and into the playoffs there was no sign of the injury prone player. It would be fair to think he put that behind him.

 

I can't find stats of when he injured himself last year, but maybe he played that last 54 games so he had been healthy for a year and a half. I have no idea.



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:41 AM

Devil's advocate: 79 games is essentially a full season. He has been healthy for the whole season, at the time we got him and into the playoffs there was no sign of the injury prone player. It would be fair to think he put that behind him.

 

 

 

79 games is a full season. Wont ague that. It was his 1st full season in his entire career. And then he gets hurt 7 (?) games into the playoffs? I dont think its fair at all to say hes put the injuries behind him. This is what we would call an outlier, and even then, fast forward 7 games and BOOM injury. Pattern. 



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:47 AM

 

79 games is a full season. Wont ague that. It was his 1st full season in his entire career. And then he gets hurt 7 (?) games into the playoffs? I dont think its fair at all to say hes put the injuries behind him. This is what we would call an outlier, and even then, fast forward 7 games and BOOM injury. Pattern. 

 

The devil's advocate statement was to say I can see how it would be justified trading for him by saying "this guy's played over a year fully healthy, looks like he put that injury history behind him".

 

Knowing what we know now I certainly don't think he put it behind him and it was pretty clearly just an extension of his history to get injured again. But I think it might be fair to say at the time of acquiring him that it looked like he put it behind him.



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:54 AM

 

The devil's advocate statement was to say I can see how it would be justified trading for him by saying "this guy's played over a year fully healthy, looks like he put that injury history behind him".

 

Knowing what we know now I certainly don't think he put it behind him and it was pretty clearly just an extension of his history to get injured again. But I think it might be fair to say at the time of acquiring him that it looked like he put it behind him.

 

Possibly? Valid point, maybe Im just a cynic when it comes to this stuff. If a guy get injured or misses a large amount of games for 12 seasons, Im pretty much expecting him to spontaneously combust at any minute 



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:59 AM

I agree, I think we lucked out with his 10 goals in 20 games or whatever it was. He played a big part.

 

I'd like to keep him at a low price but that ain't gonna happen. Farewell Patrick, we hardly knew ye.



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 12:04 PM

I agree, I think we lucked out with his 10 goals in 20 games or whatever it was. He played a big part.

 

I'd like to keep him at a low price but that ain't gonna happen. Farewell Patrick, we hardly knew ye.

 

What WOULD you resign him for? Or at this point is he too unreliable?



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 05:45 PM

 

What WOULD you resign him for? Or at this point is he too unreliable?

 

 

I looked up his history, I was pretty surprised to see he's never been paid more than $1.4/yr. The Stars signed him at $1/yr this year. I'd re-up him $1/yr maybe a little wiggle room but not $2.



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 11:01 AM

Eaves bloated deal also comes with a limited NTC. Player submits an 8 team trade list.



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:44 PM

We are stacking up the un-moveable or hard to move players.



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:16 PM

Eaves bloated deal also comes with a limited NTC. Player submits an 8 team trade list.


It's the other way around and therefore is a very limited NTC (in favor of the Ducks). He submits an 8 team "no" trade list.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:56 PM

It's the other way around and therefore is a very limited NTC (in favor of the Ducks). He submits an 8 team "no" trade list.

 

Yup ont his one you are right, I missed the "no" int he clause. 

 

"Dont trade me to these 8 s*ty teams please."






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