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#1 AddictedToHockey

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 02:50 PM

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With a legal precedent that teams are NOT liable for injuries caused by foul balls, how could hockey be viewed any different? Wouldn't this mean we could get rid of the safety netting finally? Anyone who was at the select-a-seat last weekend sees how unpopular the netting is, and how many seats it obstructs. I know the account execs would love to see it go... as one said, it makes many seats "unsellable."

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 03:31 PM

yes.gif I have never been a supporter of the netting. It is an obstruction and we have been stuck behind it when those were the only seats available.
If you walk across the street, a car may hit you....do you stop walking across streets? If you fear a puck may hit you, you can always sit in the nose bleed section where you get the best over all view of the rink and have no risk of getting hit by a puck. People have options of where to sit to be safe, I don't think the rest should suffer an obstructed view if people choose to sit close to the ice level.
But what do I know!!!

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 08:52 PM

Whats this? Other people who find the nets annoying, unnecessary and stupid? Can’t be. Simply can’t be. I have been told by those who know better that the nets are not at all a problem, they are not bothered by them at all, so that means that I am unreasonable and deluded. And after all, since THEY are not bothered, it must be that all who ARE bothered are crazy, right??

I was a teen when a boy about my own age was hit in the head by a foul ball in the seats directly below my high perch at Dodger Stadium. We watched as he was carried out , and watched as the player who hit the ball was consumed by anxiety at what had happened. The absolute last guy this should happen to was Manny Mota, kinda the Dan Bylsma of the Dodgers, a good-natured family man, gracious and accommodating to the fans, had a marvelous work ethic, and was beloved for his ability to get off the bench stone cold and crack a game tying or game winning double. He was the greatest pinch hitter the Dodgers ever had, before or since. He hardly ever got put in the field, and only the die-hards got to see him ply his trade, as most of the fans were in their cars after the 7th inning stretch, when he was put into the game.

We heard on the 11 o’clock news the 14-year old had died from head injuries soon after reaching the hospital. Mota was distraught, and didn’t appear again for a while. But no one remembers it because no one sued, the parents didn’t go on TV and demand bat-shields and netting, and all realized it was a freak accident with no malice intended. If any money changed hands, I am not aware of it, and it was probably handled quietly and with dignity by Old Man O’Malley. So the precedent had already been set, in my opinion.

I cannot imagine how awful it is to lose a child, but does money make it all go away? When I had the opportunity to sue Kaiser for their mistaken telephone diagnosis of my father, repeatedly telling him he had gallstones when it was really cancer, all I could think was that it wasn’t going to bring him back, and he did have cancer. But no treatment, none whatsoever except Motrin. From correct diagnosis to death was 3 days. I didn’t want money; like Inigo Montoya, I wanted my father back.

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 10:40 PM

:beat: Missy Mallard, it's painful to hear about your dad. Kaiser and Kindra and I go back a long way and I'm afraid it's the same kind of story, they just didn't get the chance to kill us, not that they didn't try. I'm so sorry for you having to go through all that. It's harder for those who remain in cases like this.

The netting is a joke, how often have we seen pucks STILL go into the seats???I'd say quite often. Why have the ends only netted? Will they next net the whole lower area??? Idiots, that's what I think of them!!!
Feel free to disagree with me, I'm just stating my opinion here!!!! tongue.gif

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Posted 13 June 2004 - 02:50 PM

At all rinks here in scotland we have netting behind the goals. i'm used to it now and i have to sat that it doesn't affect me at all.

Is the netting really that bad?

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Posted 13 June 2004 - 03:21 PM

no, the netting isn't that bad, not bad at all

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 12:46 AM

rolleyes.gif Have you tried taking pictures from behnd the nets???? hmm.gif

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE (Veca @ Jun 14 2004, 06:46 PM)
rolleyes.gif  Have you tried taking pictures from behnd the nets???? hmm.gif

Yes but hockey games are for hockey and not for photography. If you want to take photo's join the media

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 03:21 AM

:bbn: :bbn: If you can't take clear pictures, what do you think your view is like??? It's obstructed!! Blurry even. I find it hard to see much behind the nets. I'm glad that some of you are not bothered by them, but there are a lot of us who are.
Maybe the Pond and the Staples Center use thicker netting??? :rl: :rl: :rl: :rl:

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Kilted Duck @ Jun 13 2004, 02:50 PM)
At all rinks here in scotland we have netting behind the goals. i'm used to it now and i have to sat that it doesn't affect me at all.

Is the netting really that bad?

No, the netting is not that bad. I know tons of people who will say yes, and of course, it DOES obstruct one's view a bit. However, in this ever greedy land of America where it is everyopne's fault for EVERYTHING except, not your fault, the NHL cannot afford to pay another dime to a lawsuit. The poor girl who died was NOT the only lawsuit filed against a team and the NHL when it comes to injuries from a puck. Now I know Mallard will say, these are real fans and they weren't paying attention, etc. (we've had many a discussion on this biggrin.gif ) A puck will fly up whenever it gets hit toward you, if you are in the path of that particular puck. If the net stays, if the net goes, I will still watch hockey. everyone I speak to from Europe, it really isn't an issue, as the rinks have the netting in place, and have for years.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 07:38 AM

Also, the seats behind the net where Jiggy is for two periods, is almost sold out for season tickets. I just upgraded my seat permanently, and it wasn't an open buffet of choices.

If one doesn't like the netting, and has to sit behind it, I found that in the lower bowl, any seat above row 12 is bad. You really can see the net, as you are so close to it. In the upper bowl, it is farther away, and give yourself 5 minutes, it tends to be forgotten.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 07:45 AM

QUOTE (Francaise @ Jun 14 2004, 08:38 AM)
Also, the seats behind the net where Jiggy is for two periods, is almost sold out for season tickets. I just upgraded my seat permanently, and it wasn't an open buffet of choices.

If one doesn't like the netting, and has to sit behind it, I found that in the lower bowl, any seat above row 12 is bad. You really can see the net, as you are so close to it. In the upper bowl, it is farther away, and give yourself 5 minutes, it tends to be forgotten.

rolleyes.gif Ah, to be young and have good eyes.....I think we always get the seats with the most obstructed view....those are the seats that you get from Ticketmaster. The good ones are sold at the Pond me thinks.... confused.gif

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 09:50 AM

Ah Veca... yes, it would be nice if the nets were gone, but alas, I don't think they will....

Yes, I got my season ticket in row C at the curve in the lower bowl, so my view won't be obstructed by zee nettting. I hate paying $75 for a seat and seeing the net, blah! biggrin.gif

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 10:28 AM

I sit in the cheap seats almost every time I go to the Pond. Top deck, behind the net, usually have to look down to see the flag during the national anthem. More than once my view has been obscured by the smoke from the Ducks logo after a goal. I have no problems with the nets. They keep people from getting hurt and that makes them worth it alone, in my mind. I don't hear too many people that sit behind homplate complaining about having to look through a net, so I don't see why this should be any different.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 10:42 AM

I hated the nets at first. But with the way they are developing clear, and trasparent netting, the site lines are getting better. The addition of the netting was long overdue, and now that they are in place, they are not going anywhere.

My seats have always been at the corner of the net, I have gotten use to it. But now that I no longer have seats, I guess I will be sitting in a different seat when i head down to The Pond. And it won't be a big deal.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 11:21 AM

confused.gif In the final series, there were seveal pucks that went into the stands.
Maybe we should net the whold rink.....
I do understand about our lawsuit happy nation...I watch Judge Judy and Peoples Court plus Court TV, so I understand only too well that people do sue when you give them a funny look or cough on them. I'm just waiting to bet sued for some of my posts......errrr, wait, that may be grounds. I best just shut up for now yes.gif

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Francaise @ Jun 14 2004, 07:38 AM)
Also, the seats behind the net where Jiggy is for two periods, is almost sold out for season tickets. I just upgraded my seat permanently, and it wasn't an open buffet of choices.

If one doesn't like the netting, and has to sit behind it, I found that in the lower bowl, any seat above row 12 is bad. You really can see the net, as you are so close to it. In the upper bowl, it is farther away, and give yourself 5 minutes, it tends to be forgotten.

Sold out for season tickets? Only from row G down -- where the netting isn't in the way. I went to the select-a-seat Sunday morning, then went back about half an hour before the end of the event... there wasn't more than 10 seats sold above row G in that entire end (lower level). The upper level on that end, I'd say, no more than 50 were sold, despite the buy two, get two free.

I asked an account rep what it was like before the netting -- he said virtually all of those now-obstructed seats were formerly season tickets.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 03:36 PM

Just out of curiousity....

How many of those who like the nets are season ticket holders?

My observation is, the people who go to one or two games, it's not a big deal. But those of us who actually go to every game and now pay far more for seats we like less because our old seats are obstructed... to many of us, the netting is the single worst thing ever to happen to the game of hockey.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (AddictedToHockey @ Jun 14 2004, 04:36 PM)
Just out of curiousity....

How many of those who like the nets are season ticket holders?

My observation is, the people who go to one or two games, it's not a big deal. But those of us who actually go to every game and now pay far more for seats we like less because our old seats are obstructed... to many of us, the netting is the single worst thing ever to happen to the game of hockey.

no.gif I'm not a season ticket holder because we live too far away. It's hard for us when we do go, the selection is very limited and always behind the net, even in the club seats.
The best seats for the view are the very top, but people like me can't make the stairs, they are way too steep, so we are forced to pay a fortune to have the net block our view. I don't like spending that kind of money to have the net obstruct the view... :rl:

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:03 AM

I'm a season ticket holder and my seats are in section 420 (bottom). I am behind the opposing team's goal (1st and 3rd period) and have the netting in front of me. It doesn't bother me; in fact, I hardly notice it at all. Some of the people around me complain about it but I don't really care.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:41 AM

[quote=AddictedToHockey,Jun 14 2004, 03:34 PM] [/QUOTE]
Sold out for season tickets? Only from row G down -- where the netting isn't in the way. I went to the select-a-seat Sunday morning, then went back about half an hour before the end of the event... there wasn't more than 10 seats sold above row G in that entire end (lower level). The upper level on that end, I'd say, no more than 50 were sold, despite the buy two, get two free.

I asked an account rep what it was like before the netting -- he said virtually all of those now-obstructed seats were formerly season tickets. [/quote]
Yes, that may be, Row H was the first one I could get in 202, 201. I meant lower down than row 10ish, sorry, my bad.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Veca @ Jun 14 2004, 08:46 PM)
no.gif I'm not a season ticket holder because we live too far away. It's hard for us when we do go, the selection is very limited and always behind the net, even in the club seats.
The best seats for the view are the very top, but people like me can't make the stairs, they are way too steep, so we are forced to pay a fortune to have the net block our view. I don't like spending that kind of money to have the net obstruct the view... :rl:

I don't blame you for being upset! It is almost impossible to get decent seats without season tickets now, with so many seats being blocked by the netting.

The funny thing is, the NHL is concerned about lawsuits regarding pucks, but pays no attention to the potential of an ADA lawsuit from someone in your situation.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE (AddictedToHockey @ Jun 15 2004, 04:37 PM)
QUOTE (Veca @ Jun 14 2004, 08:46 PM)
no.gif I'm not a season ticket holder because we live too far away. It's hard for us when we do go, the selection is very limited and always behind the net, even in the club seats.
The best seats for the view are the very top, but people like me can't make the stairs, they are way too steep, so we are forced to pay a fortune to have the net block our view. I don't like spending that kind of money to have the net obstruct the view... :rl:

I don't blame you for being upset! It is almost impossible to get decent seats without season tickets now, with so many seats being blocked by the netting.

The funny thing is, the NHL is concerned about lawsuits regarding pucks, but pays no attention to the potential of an ADA lawsuit from someone in your situation.

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