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[TroyLoney]

I've noticed that some of the moderators on here are moving threads from the All Ducks Talk forum to the Ex-Ducks forum the moment a player is no longer on the Ducks. I have a couple of problems with this.

First, this is not consistently enforced. Teemu Selanne is an Ex-Duck and yet the thread of his possible return continues to be in the All Ducks Talk forum. Why? Until he's announced that he is indeed coming back, why shouldn't that be in the Ex-Ducks forum? Also, there are literally dozens of old threads about players like Sergei Fedorov, Dustin Penner, Joffrey Lupul, Niclas Havelid, Ruslan Salei, Keith Carney, Petr Sykora, Steve Rucchin and Adam Oates - all of them are still in the All Ducks Talk forum. Why? If the standard is that we are going to move a thread to the Ex-Ducks forum the second a player becomes an Ex-Duck, why is it so arbitrary? Why not move them all? Why just move the ones about Andy McDonald and Ilya Bryzgalov? Who decided what threads will and will not be moved? Why is a thread about Martin Skoula allowed to remain while one about McDonald is moved?

Second, what's the point of this? If a thread is created about a player that is on the Ducks and that thread is in the All Ducks Talk forum, why should it move? I understand if someone was to create a thread about a player that is already an Ex-Duck, but why move threads that were started when the player was on the team?

An example would be Brad May. Let's say I start a thread to discuss Brad May and his role on the team. The thread gets some discussion going and gets about five pages of posts. Then, May is traded to the Panthers. Why should the topic about him be moved to the Ex-Ducks forum? Why not leave it where it is so that the people who have been participating in the discussion can find it easily? What harm is it doing to leave a thread in the All Ducks Talk forum and allowing the discussion to die on its own?

To me the Ex-Ducks forum is a place to discuss whatever happened to players or to update us on what former Ducks are doing now. It is not for discussing why Andy McDonald is killing the Ducks, to congratulate Sergei Fedorov on his 10th 30-goal season or to discuss the merits of Keith Carney's contract from 2005. By moving those posts to the Ex-Ducks forum you're making it harder to find threads in the Ex-Ducks forum that are discussing whatever happened to Bobby Dollas, what Ric Jackman is doing or why we should have kept Patrick Lalime.

Unless members are posting in threads just to keep them on the front page, what's the harm in leaving them in the All Ducks Talk forum? If people are still willing to discuss it and are doing so in a mature and friendly manner, what's the problem? Isn't that what this place is for? Should we really be categorizing things into such small groups? Do you really want people having to multiple forums just to discuss things?

Here's what I suggest:

- If a thread was started about a player while he was on the Ducks, leave it in the All Ducks Talk forum forever.
- If that player is traded, retires or leaves as a free agent than close the thread after giving it a day or two for the coversation to end. This will keep it where people can find it and also prevent people from bringing it back up to the front page.
- Have the moderator that closes the topic make the final post something along the lines of "For future discussions of this player please go to the Ex-Ducks Forum" with a link to the forum.
- Consider either combining the Game Day Thread and The Morning Skate threads (why have two threads that discuss the same game?) or making a separate forum for Game Discussions so that people can always find not only the current game but also the archives.

To me those suggestions would make this place easier to navigate, would avoid cluttering the front page of the All Ducks Talk forum and would keep the Ex-Ducks forum for what it's inteded for - discussion of players that are gone, not a graveyard of discussions that are no longer relevant. These suggestions would also keep threads that are involved in active discussions from being relocated without notice, explanation or consistency.

Thanks for hearing me out, and I look forward to your feedback.

[Duckbill]

I'd just like to bring up the fact that I think things are fine, and the only reason this is a deal right now is because Mr Loney here resurrected nearly a dozen threads that had died over three years ago. At that point does it really matter?

Moderating a forum is not a paid position, and there is enough to do for the staff of this or any other forum on the internet to do without having to go through old archives that most people have already forgotten about just to be a stickler about organization.

[pixiedawn]

AMEN DUCKBILL!!!!

[TroyLoney]

I'd just like to bring up the fact that I think things are fine, and the only reason this is a deal right now is because Mr Loney here resurrected nearly a dozen threads that had died over three years ago. At that point does it really matter?

Moderating a forum is not a paid position, and there is enough to do for the staff of this or any other forum on the internet to do without having to go through old archives that most people have already forgotten about just to be a stickler about organization.

Actually, the reason that this is "a deal right now" is because all of a sudden the moderators have decided to move some threads about Ex-Ducks, but not all of them. When did this policy start? Why did it start? What's the standard to determine whether a thread gets moved or not? It clearly wasn't a problem to allow threads about Adam Oates to just get forgotten about and die, so why is it a problem if a thread about Andy McDonald does the same? All I'm asking for is an explanation and some consistency, that's all.

[Duckbill]

I've noticed that some of the moderators on here are moving threads from the All Ducks Talk forum to the Ex-Ducks forum the moment a player is no longer on the Ducks. I have a couple of problems with this.

see my last post

First, this is not consistently enforced. Teemu Selanne is an Ex-Duck and yet the thread of his possible return continues to be in the All Ducks Talk forum. Why? Until he's announced that he is indeed coming back, why shouldn't that be in the Ex-Ducks forum?

Teemu's situation is rather unique. He's an Ex-Duck in the technical sense, but since he isn't retired and speculation is that he will return to the team without having really gone anywhere then the discussion is relevant. Also, because there are so many Teemu related threads it isn't going to make any sense to move them until he retires or goes to another team. What if he does come back to the Ducks, should all the threads be put back into place?

Also, there are literally dozens of old threads about players like Sergei Fedorov, Dustin Penner, Joffrey Lupul, Niclas Havelid, Ruslan Salei, Keith Carney, Petr Sykora, Steve Rucchin and Adam Oates - all of them are still in the All Ducks Talk forum. Why? If the standard is that we are going to move a thread to the Ex-Ducks forum the second a player becomes an Ex-Duck, why is it so arbitrary?

Because they are effectively ANCIENT.

Why not move them all? Why just move the ones about Andy McDonald and Ilya Bryzgalov? Who decided what threads will and will not be moved? Why is a thread about Martin Skoula allowed to remain while one about McDonald is moved?

McDonalad and Bryz were moved this season, Skoula left in the offseason from prior to the lockout. The lockout did mess a lot of things up in some cases but with McDonald and Bryz the discussion is still going on.

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Look, trust the mod staff, there's no point getting up in arms over threads that haven't been posted in for over three years. If you have something to contribute then start a new thread or post in the old one and then the thread can be moved at will.

[pixiedawn]

The ex-ducks forum was started because kariya fans were spouting off about how he's a part of ducks history, etc, and MT started a place for those threads.

Again...let it be. If it annoys you so much, go back to the Official forum.

[TroyLoney]

Thanks for your input, Duckbill. I am hoping that a moderator actually responds and offers some explanation, though.

The ex-ducks forum was started because kariya fans were spouting off about how he's a part of ducks history, etc, and MT started a place for those threads.

Again...let it be. If it annoys you so much, go back to the Official forum.

So if I have a problem with the way things are run, I'm not welcome here? Love it or leave it? Thanks, pixiedawn, I appreciate that.

[BritDuck]

I agree with Duckbill. Things are fine the way they are. I understand what you are saying, but Teemu Selanne is a special case and, as MT has already stated, until we know whether he is retired, returning or going to another team then he is still a Duck. I personally like the way it is done now. If an active topic is discussing a current Duck, it goes in AD Talk, if it's actively discussing a player who no longer plays for us, it goes in the Ex Ducks forum.

If you resurrected a thread about Loops now then yes, it would be moved to the Ex-Ducks forum as he is an ex Duck, but don't expect the mods to go through every thread we've ever had and archive them to different forums - that is ridiculous. It is my belief that we have some of the best mods on the internet and they often go unthanked for all the work they put into this forum to make it home to so many of us. They get a lot of stick, some of it friendly, some of it not so, and I am personally very glad that they have thick skins and carry on keeping AD a junk-free board.

AD has always been very welcoming to all new fans, but to be honest, lately it seems as though we get so many new posters who come on here, supposedly read the forum rules and guidelines, ignore them and then bitch about the way the forum is run. AD is run the way we like it and that is, hopefully, the way it is going to stay. Now, this is obviously only a select few individuals but these select few could do with having a bit more respect. AD is a fan run site set up by MT to be a safe haven away from the chaos and mess that is the official board. If people don't like it, perhaps the official board is worth checking out.

I always encourage any hockey fans I meet to join AD - the more the merrier in my opinion - but sometimes it seems as though some of the new posters are spending more time moaning about the way the forum is run than discussing the Ducks which is, after all, what we are all here for. Of course, if there is something that you feel is going to make the board better for everyone, go ahead and suggest it, but please don't expect everyone to agree with you. That is what makes this board great - we are free to agree to disagree without being attacked for it.

Right, that's enough from me. For everyone who actually read all that, I hope it came across in the friendly nature I intended it and thanks.

[pixiedawn]

I agree with you completely Brit! Thank god I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[Duckbill]

So if I have a problem with the way things are run, I'm not welcome here? Love it or leave it? Thanks, pixiedawn, I appreciate that.

That's not what Pixie said, what she said that if you don't like the way threads on "Ex Ducks" are handled, then just stick to the threads about current Ducks and ignore the Ex Ducks forums.

[pixiedawn]

I did not mean it that way. I meant, things have been a certain way, and only recently,(As in yesterday) has anyone raised concern.

I have said what I needed to say about this, and if you want, we can take this to the PM system and NOT WASTE MT's bandwith, or we can leave it be.

Again, MANY thanks duckbill

[M T]

Thanks for your input, Duckbill. I am hoping that a moderator actually responds and offers some explanation, though.

You received a response from me about this via PM yesterday.

[Maverik]

IBTL
I cannot believe this is such a big deal that you need to start a thread about it, especially since M T, the CREATOR OF ALLDUCKS already gave you an explanation throuhg PM.

Are you that fed up with the folks at AllDucks trying to keep things organized? I have no problems with the way things are being done here, hence my continuous returns.

If I were you, I'd just leave it alone. This is the system they use, and the majority of the members here don't have issues with it.

[QuacksMeUp]

- Consider either combining the Game Day Thread and The Morning Skate threads (why have two threads that discuss the same game?) or making a separate forum for Game Discussions so that people can always find not only the current game but also the archives.

I'm not a mod, but you have touched on The Morning Skate. As some members know, TMS has nothing to do with the GDT. TMS has absolutely nothing to do with anything and it's pointless. It startles me that you would consider it anywhere near meaningful enough to combine with the GDT. I will strive in future to make it even more pointless than ever so that no one will ever confuse the two again. (If I still had any points you would get 1,000 for the mention though ).

[Reb]

I'm not a mod, but you have touched on The Morning Skate. As some members know, TMS has nothing to do with the GDT. TMS has absolutely nothing to do with anything and it's pointless. It startles me that you would consider it anywhere near meaningful enough to combine with the GDT. I will strive in future to make it even more pointless than ever so that no one will ever confuse the two again. (If I still had any points you would get 1,000 for the mention though ).

I donno. I think I would take away 500 for confusing TMS with the GDT.

[QuacksMeUp]

I donno. I think I would take away 500 for confusing TMS with the GDT.

[Marshy]

We cannot move threads from the ALLDUCKS Talk forum to the Ex-Ducks as this is a high traffic/thread site. Those threads that were posted after the Ex-Ducks forum was created are moved there.

No one else seems to have a problem with this and if you need to find a thread, use the search. We have a thousand some users here and no one has had a problem with this before.

While most the users here will use a delegation to explain this to you in a politically correct way, I am going to tell you how it is. Don't be a d*** and you will be welcome here. This forum was created over 3 years ago, made my fans who contribute and treat each other with respect, and if you wanna come here to complain about something so mundane, then yeah, I suggest you do go back to the official boards.

End of story.

[LightItUp4126]

None of this matters at all. Let's focus on Ducks' hockey, and not where threads are located on the forum, because it doesn't mean anything to anyone.