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[Marshy]

Propose and submit your suggestions for what you believe would make this site better.

Once the staff discusses this and decides on whether or not it would be a good fit for the site, the issues is closed regardless of the ruling. Should users continue to debate the resolved issues, that user will garner a warning.

So keep discussions friendly but feel free to discuss your opinions in a RESPECTFUL manner. Only staff members will decide whether or not the suggestions are a good fit for the board.

[Duckbill]

I think things are okay the way they are now, but I have a few ideas from other forums I have been to that might help make things smooth for everyone.

-Capping Threads:

Because of the size of some threads, the staff could institute a limit on the size of threads. A number between 10-20 pages should be reasonable. The thread could then be locked by a moderator, and it could be up to the same moderator to continue the thread. Let's use the Rumors thread as an example.

A moderator would lock the current thread, and start a new thread for trades and rumors. In order to distinctly identify the thread, the title should include the date the thread was begun in the thread title such as "TRADES AND RUMORS, 1/30/08". After a prescribed number of pages that thread would be locked, if it hit that number, say, February 15th, the next thread would read "TRADES AND RUMORS, 2/15/08" etc... The Key to this would be the moderator being the one to start the new thread, because otherwise multiple users will unknowingly post repeat threads and it will clutter the board.

This solution requires a minimal amount of additional work for the staff, keeps the thread sizes down for easier view, and also categorizes them for archiving and searching.

[Still MIGHTY]

I don't mind the size of the threads. The size issue comes with all the merging that takes place

I wouldnt mind having a separate Scott Niedermayer thread and a separate Teemu Selanne thread. Two different people. Two different discussions.

The Rumors thread is one that can be trimmed down. I would say taht we make a new rumors thread every year. End it either the day after the season is over or after the Finals and start a new one directly after. Say there would be one call Ducks Rumors 07-08 and then Ducks Rumors 08-09 and so forth.
Same can be done with the Wounded Ducks thread.
If there is a very significant injury to a significant player i.e. Pahlsson where daily updates are given on the player then sure make a whole new thread. Or it can be just the general injuries thread.

Basically some of the threads get too crowded and cluttered. It can be organized down into smaller more managable portions like I suggested.

[*ducks4cup*]

I think this site looks a little too geeky/nerdy. Give it more of an edge and a meaner look. Basically, I want our site to make a statement, sort of like letsgoducks.com

[MrsBevo]

I think splitting up threads is more than reasonable. Rumors - 07-08. Rumors - Summer 08. Rumors 08-09. One wounded duck thread per season.

It seems like in the summertime, especially August, that it would be an easy time to clean things up and get ready for the next season.

Another suggestion might be to have one thread per player for the season. Teemu Selanne - 08-09. Chris Kunitz - 08-09. Any articles or discussions about the player could be put in there. Even injury stuff. The Scott and Teemu thread should have been closed after Scott came back and a new thread for Teemu opened.

If you come to the board on a regular basis, it is easier to follow along and know where you left off on a thread. Otherwise, it's tough to follow. I don't think there should be a page limit, but a reasonable cut off when the discussion is over.

[TroyLoney]

I have nothing to add - the site is great the way it is.

Just kidding, you KNOW I've got something to say in here.

1.
To me, things should not be grouped together so much. As was said earlier Scott Niedermayer's decision whether or not to retire was a completely separate set of circumstances than Teemu Selanne's decision whether or not to retire. The only thing they had in common was that both were contemplating retirement. Is that enough to group them together in one humongous thread? I don't think so. Have one to discuss Scott, another to discuss Teemu and that's fine. After all, the "Selanne & Scott Niedermayer (BOTH BACK)" thread began talking about the Ducks need to re-sign J.S. Giguere and look what it became!

I also don't think that every Ducks injury should go under the "Wounded Ducks" heading. Personally I don't want to have to search through updates on Brad May's health to get the latest information on Samuel Pahlsson. One is a healthy scratch waiting to happen; the other is a Selke Trophy finalist. For everyday players, like Brad May or Brian Sutherby, the Wounded Ducks thread is fine. For the star players, though, they should get their own thread to discuss their injury and the impact it is having on the team. Especially when it's a major injury or one that warrants a trip to the injured reserve list. Perhaps the moderators could determine who is and is not a star player worthy of such treatment before each season and then revise it as Brian Burke tweaks the roster with trades and call ups.

I'd like to see the Game Day Thread and the Morning Skate combined. Is 10-20 posts about gibberish really going to throw the Game Day Thread off track? Having the Morning Skate thread be at the top of the page nearly every day is annoying - at least to me. I realize that other members of the board enjoy it, and that's great, but I don't think it deserves the same spot as updates on the Ducks roster, health status or rumors. Maybe give it it's own forum like the Media Roundup.

The thread combining is a very touchy subject and very difficult to find the right balance. That being said, I think the way things are done now is too "tidy" for lack of a better term. I realize that some like having one thread for the State of the Franchise no matter which year it is discussing but I think that warrants a new thread every year. Same with the Ducks Rumors and threads about individual players.

2.
I'd like to see more enforcement of the rules that prohibit members from belittling other members as well. I don't think I've ever called any other member stupid or made any other such comments. If I have please let me know as I would be apologetic and embarrassed. I may have called a decision they made stupid, but there is a difference between the two. Everyone does stupid things - not everyone is stupid. However, I have been called many names by many different members and I've basically been told that I'm not welcome here on more than one occasion and, to my knowledge, the people that have said those things to me have not been reprimanded in any form, and only once have I received an apology. To that person, who knows who they are, thanks again - very classy of you and I appreciate it. I realize that I'm abrasive but does that warrant personal attacks of the kind that are against the rules of this site? I'd hope not.

3.
I do like MrsBevo's idea of a thread per player which would then handle all of DTP's great finds with regards to articles about that player, all injury updates on that player, all discussion of that player's performance and accolades. Create a new one each season on July 1st (the official start of the season according to the NHL) and as soon as a player is traded or leaves the team we can move that thread to the Ex-Ducks forum. Nice and clean. Yeah, we'd start off with a LOT of threads but most of those would disappear pretty quickly (how many people are really going to talk about Brandon Bochenski or Sean O'Donnell on a regular basis?) but people would also know where to go to get news or to discuss their favorite player.

4.
I think this place needs to keep in mind that not everyone visits as often as the regulars. Folks like DTP, DK, MrsBevo, MT and QuacksMeUp are here nearly every day and are able to keep track of the new posts fairly easily. For those of us that don't come on a daily basis or who are new to the board this place can be baffling and intimidating. A 250 page thread discussing Scott Niedermayer and Teemu Selanne's return!?! A 594 page thread on the latest Ducks Rumors?!? It's too much and can be easily fixed with the suggestions above.

5.
The search feature is a great tool to use to find something you are looking for, but it should not be required to find what you are looking for.

That's it for now. Thanks to Duckbill for suggesting this thread and to Marshy for creating it. I'm glad to see that the message in my recent post was not lost due to my delivery and I appreciate the support that Itlan, MrsBevo and Marshy have offered publically and the support that others have offered via PM's. It's nice to know that I'm not alone in my line of thinking despite the public comments of some.

TroyLoney

[Duckbill]

2.
I'd like to see more enforcement of the rules that prohibit members from belittling other members as well. I don't think I've ever called any other member stupid or made any other such comments. If I have please let me know as I would be apologetic and embarrassed. I may have called a decision they made stupid, but there is a difference between the two. Everyone does stupid things - not everyone is stupid. However, I have been called many names by many different members and I've basically been told that I'm not welcome here on more than one occasion and, to my knowledge, the people that have said those things to me have not been reprimanded in any form, and only once have I received an apology. To that person, who knows who they are, thanks again - very classy of you and I appreciate it. I realize that I'm abrasive but does that warrant personal attacks of the kind that are against the rules of this site? I'd hope not.

While I agree that personal vendettas should be banned, you have to be careful about how much you restrict personal speech. Part of why I come here instead of the official forum is because I can say something that isn't entirely PC. In your case you earned a bit of a reputation when you started and that's why you were targeted. You'll notice that in the threads where you paricipate and bring good ideas to the table (such as in the current thread discussing Versus) you get along really well and people are interested in what you have to say. But your first big act coming to the board was to resurrect about a dozen or so old threads from three seasons ago and demand they be moved into another forum, and then ignored staff requests to keep it to a private discussion.

The other thing i'll mention, and I coudl be wrong about this, but i'm don't believe that "The Morning Skate" is an official thing, and that it's something QuacksMeUp does on her own for other board member's amusement on her own initiative. (And it's well done I might add!) So that's probably why it's different from the game threads.

[Reb]

My first respnonse is oh waaah
Perhaps you might find more traction with some of your complaints if you addressed them privately with the powers that be (that would not be me) rather than airing your spleen publicly, as seems to be your wont. For some inexplicable reason you do seem to need to attract attention to yourself by complaining regarding the way this site is run. However, I hope you do notice, your attention grabs are not appreciated by the majority of the populace.

[lvsprt]

I'm a little perplexed as to why the "click to the newest post in the thread" option is so difficult to use. If you don't visit as often (which happens to me occasionally) I just scroll quickly to the post which begins the conversation I want. Breaking down the threads by years is not a bad idea, but having a thread for each player and reserving all talk about that player in just that thread will really gum up the works. And I have to disagree about the GDT being separate from the "Morning Skate" as they are two different tones, which is a great example of the creativeness you don't often find on other message boards. My opinion of course, but hopefully valued as much as the others.

[pixiedawn]

TMS was used to keep the joking tone of game days out of the GDT. It was a way for us to let our hair down, be stupid and drool over Corey Perry.

I too agree on keeping threads season seperate.

[OrangePuck]

TMS was used to keep the joking tone of game days out of the GDT. It was a way for us to let our hair down, be stupid and drool over Corey Perry.

I too agree on keeping threads season seperate.

I think people should be encouraged to let their hair down a bit. The way the threads are policed takes a lot of fun out of being associated with the board. Also, more individual forums is always good.

[BritDuck]

1.
To me, things should not be grouped together so much. As was said earlier Scott Niedermayer's decision whether or not to retire was a completely separate set of circumstances than Teemu Selanne's decision whether or not to retire. The only thing they had in common was that both were contemplating retirement. Is that enough to group them together in one humongous thread? I don't think so. Have one to discuss Scott, another to discuss Teemu and that's fine. After all, the "Selanne & Scott Niedermayer (BOTH BACK)" thread began talking about the Ducks need to re-sign J.S. Giguere and look what it became!

I understand the complaint with this one, but you have to realise that when that thread was started, we were expecting retirement announcements in a matter of weeks. No one expected the saga to drag on and on and on like it did. When the thread was started, it was thought that we would have decisions semi-promptly, not endless press conferences to announce absolutely nothing. Hindsight is 20/20 and going back it would have been sensible to have two separate threads for each player, but that's not how it seemed at the time. It was a mistake, but one that we will learn from.

I also don't think that every Ducks injury should go under the "Wounded Ducks" heading. Personally I don't want to have to search through updates on Brad May's health to get the latest information on Samuel Pahlsson. One is a healthy scratch waiting to happen; the other is a Selke Trophy finalist. For everyday players, like Brad May or Brian Sutherby, the Wounded Ducks thread is fine. For the star players, though, they should get their own thread to discuss their injury and the impact it is having on the team. Especially when it's a major injury or one that warrants a trip to the injured reserve list. Perhaps the moderators could determine who is and is not a star player worthy of such treatment before each season and then revise it as Brian Burke tweaks the roster with trades and call ups.

This I disagree with. Wounded Ducks is a great thread to learn who's injured and what's happening on that. Determining "star players" is only going to cause grief. What if your favourite player is not deemed to be a "star" on the Ducks. I have no doubt that you would complain about having to go through the wounded Ducks thread for information on that player when this player gets his own thread. Leave all the wounded Ducks in the Wounded Ducks thread. Click on the last page or "newest post" button to take you to the latest news re the Ducks health.

I'd like to see the Game Day Thread and the Morning Skate combined. Is 10-20 posts about gibberish really going to throw the Game Day Thread off track? Having the Morning Skate thread be at the top of the page nearly every day is annoying - at least to me. I realize that other members of the board enjoy it, and that's great, but I don't think it deserves the same spot as updates on the Ducks roster, health status or rumors. Maybe give it it's own forum like the Media Roundup.

I love tMS. The whole point of the thread was to have a place where we could put all the silliness and the Jiggy drooling etc etc and keep the GDT for the serious what's-happening-in-the-game talk. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's a simple as that. I don't understand how having a thread near to the top of the page each game day is 'annoying'. Just skip over it.

The thread combining is a very touchy subject and very difficult to find the right balance. That being said, I think the way things are done now is too "tidy" for lack of a better term. I realize that some like having one thread for the State of the Franchise no matter which year it is discussing but I think that warrants a new thread every year. Same with the Ducks Rumors and threads about individual players.

I agree with having a Ducks Rumours 07/08 etc. Makes sense. With topics like SOTF perhaps linking to last years thread in the first post of the new year's thread would be a good compromise. I personally enjoyed re-reading last years SOTF thread to compare the two years.

2.
I'd like to see more enforcement of the rules that prohibit members from belittling other members as well. I don't think I've ever called any other member stupid or made any other such comments. If I have please let me know as I would be apologetic and embarrassed. I may have called a decision they made stupid, but there is a difference between the two. Everyone does stupid things - not everyone is stupid. However, I have been called many names by many different members and I've basically been told that I'm not welcome here on more than one occasion and, to my knowledge, the people that have said those things to me have not been reprimanded in any form, and only once have I received an apology. To that person, who knows who they are, thanks again - very classy of you and I appreciate it. I realize that I'm abrasive but does that warrant personal attacks of the kind that are against the rules of this site? I'd hope not.

I think Duckbill covered this best. When you are new to this board and the first thing you do is to start complaining about how it is run, you are going to ruffle some feathers. I don't think it was rude, simply common sense to be told that, if you don't like it here, go somewhere else. No one is forcing anyone to be here. There are ways to ask for things and ways not to. You yourself have admitted you are abrasive - if you are aware of that, why not re-read your thread before you post it and find a way to make it less-abrasive?

4.
I think this place needs to keep in mind that not everyone visits as often as the regulars. Folks like DTP, DK, MrsBevo, MT and QuacksMeUp are here nearly every day and are able to keep track of the new posts fairly easily. For those of us that don't come on a daily basis or who are new to the board this place can be baffling and intimidating. A 250 page thread discussing Scott Niedermayer and Teemu Selanne's return!?! A 594 page thread on the latest Ducks Rumors?!? It's too much and can be easily fixed with the suggestions above.

I don't understand what the problem with long threads are. Just go to the last couple of pages or click on "new posts" which will take you straight to the last post that you read on each topic. It's up to you how much you read or don't read of each topic. The last thing I want to deal with is 20 topics dealing with the same issue. And the capping idea is horrible. Sorry, Duckbill, but do you really want threads like the GDT being stopped at 20 pages and then another thread continuing the discussion being started? One of the best things about this board is that we don't have a million topics discussing the same thing over and over again. All the information relating to a topic can be found in the relevant thread, and the only problem is that some people are just too lazy to read said thread or use the search function.

[OrangePuck]

My first respnonse is oh waaah
Perhaps you might find more traction with some of your complaints if you addressed them privately with the powers that be (that would not be me) rather than airing your spleen publicly, as seems to be your wont. For some inexplicable reason you do seem to need to attract attention to yourself by complaining regarding the way this site is run. However, I hope you do notice, your attention grabs are not appreciated by the majority of the populace.

Sorry people but I really have to say something about this. The OP requested that members of this site, which does include Troy Looney, submit their SUGGESTIONS on what would make the site better. The word 'suggestions' to me implies that the staff readily admits that they do not have all the definitive answers to the question 'What will make this site better.' Troy Looney comes along, gives a descriptive list of his concerns and an actual staff member of the site belittles him? You label his suggestions as complaints and tell him to bring them up privately? Is it not allowed to suggest that a specific practice of the site be done a different way or are we, upon signing up to the site, expected to drink the kool aid and accept the idea that what the site does is so perfect that it's set in stone?

If a staff member treats a person offering up their opinions like this in a thread that is actually soliciting opinions from their members how willing will someone else be to offer up what they think would make the site better? Jeb...I don't know you or Troy Looney nor do I know about any little tiff the two of you have with one another. I really don't care. However, I think that between the two of you .... your post is the one that is out of place in this thread.

just my .02

[Reb]

Sorry people but I really have to say something about this. The OP requested that members of this site, which does include Troy Looney, submit their SUGGESTIONS on what would make the site better. The word 'suggestions' to me implies that the staff readily admits that they do not have all the definitive answers to the question 'What will make this site better.' Troy Looney comes along, gives a descriptive list of his concerns and an actual staff member of the site belittles him? You label his suggestions as complaints and tell him to bring them up privately? Is it not allowed to suggest that a specific practice of the site be done a different way or are we, upon signing up to the site, expected to drink the kool aid and accept the idea that what the site does is so perfect that it's set in stone?

If a staff member treats a person offering up their opinions like this in a thread that is actually soliciting opinions from their members how willing will someone else be to offer up what they think would make the site better? Jeb...I don't know you or Troy Looney nor do I know about any little tiff the two of you have with one another. I really don't care. However, I think that between the two of you .... your post is the one that is out of place in this thread.

just my .02

I stand corrected and chastised. Everyone's .02 is valuable. If I would have given that post a second or third thought and look before hitting the add reply button it would not have appeared.

[Tomato Assasin]

I am with Britduck on everything she said. Great post

[Dark Knight]

I have been silent on this issue because I wanted to see where it lead, even though my name was called out earlier in the process. However, it's time I write down some of my thoughts.

I've been a member of AD since 2003 and like so many of you it's my home away from home. As BritDuck said, although I haven't met many of you, I consider a good number on this board my friends. It's interesting to see a couple of malcontent noobs (TroyLoney and OrangePuck) coming in and immediately wanting to make changes to the board. Whatever happened to establishing credibility and earning respect? I can think of several new members who have done just that such as Todrick, AnaheimAussie, Itlan, Sojourn, ladiesandgentlemen, mrmathews, DuckSnip, WestofHouse, and others. They have become solid citizens whose contributions are thoughtful, informed, selfless and fun.

The people I listen to and respect on AD are its owner MT and those who contribute in many ways by being a part of the community, getting to know other members and sharing in the communal life we have here. Together we've laughed a lot, celebrated a lot, cried a lot, mourned a lot, and shared a lot in these four years. They are the backbone of this board because, primarily, they like it the way it is, and that includes the way it's organized. Some have even put their money where their mouths are and have decided to invest in the maintenance of AD. You can find this year's list here. Some of them and others made a similar commitment in 2007. Their opinion matters, at least to me.

Now I'm not saying that AD is perfect and that it can't use some improvement. I actually like the idea of separate threads for yearly issues, such as "Injuries" or "Draft" or "All-Star Game" or for when players are signed and re-signed -- I thought about starting a thread for Selanne's re-signing, but everyone seemed to be already so into the conversation on that thread that I just joined in, but yes Itlan was right. But this should be done because it helps the board overall communication and not because some people are too lazy to use a search function or can't figure out how to click the "last post" button and be taken to the last post of the thread.

Maybe we've gone a bit overboard and I think that happened because a number of us are refugees of the official board (the old Duck Calls) and we knew the type of chaos it was over there. We didn't want AD to turn into the Wild West with multiple threads for "is Sami ok" or "when is Sami coming back" or "what about that hit last night." Maybe I have gone overboard sometimes, and if I offended someone I apologize.

Another problem with multiple threads is that unless other mods step up and do the day to day work that it takes to maintain this site, DTP won't be able to keep up with it. There are times when I think he and MT are the only functional mods.

As BritDuck said earlier if you don't like the way AD is run or organized, please find somewhere else more to your liking. But to come in and say that, for example GDT and TMS must be combined because one of them is gibberish, or that you don't like the way AD is policed, is a product of not knowing this community but instead an attempt to come in and impose your likes on us. Coups don't usually work and they won't here either. And yes, I'm talking to TroyLoney and OrangePuck in particular. Maybe some of the issues you raise have merit, but the way you raise them is deplorable. If you want to be a part of AD learn what makes it what it is. If you don't want to I hope the door doesn't hit you on the ass on the way out.

[OrangePuck]

I stand corrected and chastised. Everyone's .02 is valuable. If I would have given that post a second or third thought and look before hitting the add reply button it would not have appeared.

I respect you for owning it man.

[OrangePuck]

I have been silent on this issue because I wanted to see where it lead, even though my name was called out earlier in the process. However, it's time I write down some of my thoughts.

I've been a member of AD since 2003 and like so many of you it's my home away from home. As BritDuck said, although I haven't met many of you, I consider a good number on this board my friends. It's interesting to see a couple of malcontent noobs (TroyLoney and OrangePuck) coming in and immediately wanting to make changes to the board. Whatever happened to establishing credibility and earning respect? I can think of several new members who have done just that such as Todrick, AnaheimAussie, Itlan, Sojourn, ladiesandgentlemen, mrmathews, DuckSnip, WestofHouse, and others. They have become solid citizens whose contributions are thoughtful, informed, selfless and fun.

Malcontent noob? I've been called worse. Nevertheless I appreciate your well aimed insult. I had no idea that in order to formulate a valid opinion on what makes a message board successful one would have to have had a specific number of posts on allducks.com. On a side note....how the hell does someone rack up nearly 40,000 posts in just over 4 years. If I were to guess I would guess that the other members of this site don't have 40000 posts combined over that period of time. Get out much?

I have been posting on hockey message boards on and off for 10 years. Throughout those years I have spent time on ESPN boards, Baseball boars and LGK so I think I have a pretty good idea of things that other message boards do that would probably work well here. After all, if you are looking to improve this board doesn't it make sense to consider what other boards do? Perhaps if you weren't so well ensconced in your 40,000 post cocoon you'd be a bit more capable of thinking outside of the box. Don't be scared....regardless of whatever change does occur here you will still be the self proclaimed master of photoshop around these parts.

[LightItUp4126]

Malcontent noob? I've been called worse. Nevertheless I appreciate your well aimed insult. I had no idea that in order to formulate a valid opinion on what makes a message board successful one would have to have had a specific number of posts on allducks.com. On a side note....how the hell does someone rack up nearly 40,000 posts in just over 4 years. If I were to guess I would guess that the other members of this site don't have 40000 posts combined over that period of time. Get out much?

I have been posting on hockey message boards on and off for 10 years. Throughout those years I have spent time on ESPN boards, Baseball boars and LGK so I think I have a pretty good idea of things that other message boards do that would probably work well here. After all, if you are looking to improve this board doesn't it make sense to consider what other boards do? Perhaps if you weren't so well ensconced in your 40,000 post cocoon you'd be a bit more capable of thinking outside of the box. Don't be scared....regardless of whatever change does occur here you will still be the self proclaimed master of photoshop around these parts.

That post brings absolutely nothing to the discussion; well done.

[Todrick]

Whatever happened to establishing credibility and earning respect? I can think of several new members who have done just that such as Todrick... and others. They have become solid citizens whose contributions are thoughtful, informed, selfless and fun.

Hells yeah!

I got the shout out...

Take that!

[Dark Knight]

Thanks for making my point ever so eloquently OP... And please point me to where I proclaimed myself the master of Photoshop. Maybe I could add that to my resume

[OrangePuck]

That post brings absolutely nothing to the discussion; well done.

Would you feel better if I would have tagged the end of that post with the information that I put in my first post in this thread? If I did then what you would have is a post in which I insult another person and then make my suggestions. Sounds an awful lot like DK's post doesn't it?

Seriously...some of you people really need to lighten up a little bit. I understand that any message board has it's favorites and as a result the opinions of malcontent noobs, general noobs and all around nobodys are swept under the rug. It is what it is. However, is it really necessary to belittle an opinion and insult the person making it? That's all that I'm saying.

Thanks for making my point ever so eloquently OP... And please point me to where I proclaimed myself the master of Photoshop. Maybe I could add that to my resume

I would but I'm afraid that would be going off topic. Since going on a tangent around here is such taboo I have no choice but to respectfully decline your request. Nevertheless I thank you for your participation.

[SacredCow]

Please keep this thread from becoming a war of words. If you have a suggestion about the board or a comment on the suggestions that have been made please contribute. If you have a comment about what you think of Member X or their attitude please take it someplace else. Of the last six posts not one has made a suggestion about how to improve AD and I'd like to end that trend before it goes too far. We're all Ducks fans and we all want this website to be as good as it can possibly be. Let's focus on that and not drag another thread into a third grade argument.

[Duckbill]

Sorry, Duckbill, but do you really want threads like the GDT being stopped at 20 pages and then another thread continuing the discussion being started? One of the best things about this board is that we don't have a million topics discussing the same thing over and over again. All the information relating to a topic can be found in the relevant thread, and the only problem is that some people are just too lazy to read said thread or use the search function.

No not particularly, I like things the way they are. I was providing it as a compromise to the people who said they did not like the lengthy threads and brought up a solution used on other message boards and I felt it was a solution that would provide such a compromise without putting a lot of undue work on the moderators. When I proposed it I felt that twenty pages was quite a lot of information and would be able to cover lengthy discussions for a long period of time because, like you, I like the big threads that cover everything.

I have been posting on hockey message boards on and off for 10 years. Throughout those years I have spent time on ESPN boards, Baseball boars and LGK so I think I have a pretty good idea of things that other message boards do that would probably work well here.

I can vouch for this, I love reading your posts on LGK by the way. It does bring something to the discussion I think in that Orange Puck has message board experience, and thus might see if something that works elsewhere translates to here.

[OrangePuck]

I can vouch for this, I love reading your posts on LGK by the way. It does bring something to the discussion I think in that Orange Puck has message board experience, and thus might see if something that works elsewhere translates to here.

Thank you very much man...much appreciated.