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#1 Dark Knight

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:53 AM

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JSerra Catholic High School will serve as the inaugural team in the first-ever Southern California high school league.
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“I think people are going to look back on this day and say ‘I was there. That was an important first step and I was there.’” Burke said. “To me, there are these important events that have happened with hockey in Southern California – Wayne Gretzky getting traded here, the Ducks winning the Stanley Cup and I think this is right up in terms of 20, 30 years from now, people will say JSerra started it all with the Ducks.”
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 07:43 AM

This is Very cool!!!
my 8 year old son may actually be able to play Hockey in High School!!!

it's mind boggling really, So Cal HS Hockey...

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Todrick @ Jul 2 2008, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it's mind boggling really, So Cal HS Hockey...

Which Burke has been able to put together in 3 years, even though that other SoCal NHL team has been around a bit longer...

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:03 AM

Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but High School hockey has been around for quite awhile in Southern California. There is a league out of Toyota Sports Center and one out of Valencia Ice Station. They've been around for at least 7-8 years.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:20 AM

and my son who goes to school in Huntington Beach can play in those leagues?

didn't think so.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Duckster24 @ Jul 2 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but High School hockey has been around for quite awhile in Southern California. There is a league out of Toyota Sports Center and one out of Valencia Ice Station. They've been around for at least 7-8 years.


Aren't those leagues put together by the players and parents, with the schools just participating? There is a difference.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Todrick @ Jul 2 2008, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and my son who goes to school in Huntington Beach can play in those leagues?

didn't think so.

Also in that story it says more teams will start in the following years. My son and I talked to the coach and he said the teams will be from the Trinity League. Like Mater Dei, Rancho Santa Margarita, Servite, ect...

My son stopped playing club this year but hopefully next year MD will have a team so he can play there.


The leagues out of Toyota and Valencia dont have a lot of support though. Here the ducks will support it.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (hockeymom @ Jul 2 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also in that story it says more teams will start in the following years. My son and I talked to the coach and he said the teams will be from the Trinity League. Like Mater Dei, Rancho Santa Margarita, Servite, ect...

My son stopped playing club this year but hopefully next year MD will have a team so he can play there.


The leagues out of Toyota and Valencia dont have a lot of support though. Here the ducks will support it.

Beleive me, I am not knocking the Ducks efforts and commend them for getting involved. It's great for Orange County, which hasn't had this option. But the article says that it is the first ever high school hockey league in Southern California, which simply is not true. In fact, the first year there is no league, just one team that is hoping to play in SCAHA.

And if you've ever been to any of the games in Valencia, they attract 500-600 fans. As for who organizes these leagues, I believe the rinks (TSC and Valencia) set them up. I can't tell you firsthand how much support they get from each individual school, but they've been doing it long enough that there must be some involvement.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:33 PM

Extremely happy the Ducks made history by launching a high school league here in SoCal. It's definitely a great way to grow this sport

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:09 PM

Will the CIF regulate it??

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 04:46 AM

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Will the CIF regulate it??

I'm sure they will eventually, but each school will have the choice whether to sanction it as a sport.

For example, lacrosse is the big thing right now and it was sanctioned by CIF only a couple of years ago. A couple of schools, one being in Hungtington Beach, Todrick, are having a difficult time getting it on the roster of CIF sports because it conflicts with other spring sports practice time i.e. football. A lot of football players are now going out for lacrosse because it's a new sport and it's fun. However, it takes time away from conditioning and spring football. That one school's football coach has had several football players leave the team (not superstars, but just everyday grinders) to play lacrosse instead. He used his leverage with the administration to keep them from sanctioning it as a CIF sport at the school. Now I understand a couple of the kids are transferring to another school in HB where lacrosse is sanctioned. Sad for everyone around.

The only downfall with ice hockey is that it may interfere with lacrosse too because some of the best lacrosse players these days are current or ex-ice hockey players. It would be sad to see them have to choose between the two sports if the season overlaps.


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Posted 03 July 2008 - 06:48 AM

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The only downfall with ice hockey is that it may interfere with lacrosse too because some of the best lacrosse players these days are current or ex-ice hockey players. It would be sad to see them have to choose between the two sports if the season overlaps.


If Lacrosse is in spring and hockey is in the fall/winter as it should be, then there should be no conflict.


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Posted 03 July 2008 - 09:48 AM

QUOTE (hockeymom @ Jul 3 2008, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A couple of schools, one being in Hungtington Beach, Todrick, are having a difficult time getting it on the roster of CIF sports because it conflicts with other spring sports practice time i.e. football. A lot of football players are now going out for lacrosse because it's a new sport and it's fun. However, it takes time away from conditioning and spring football. That one school's football coach has had several football players leave the team (not superstars, but just everyday grinders) to play lacrosse instead. He used his leverage with the administration to keep them from sanctioning it as a CIF sport at the school. Now I understand a couple of the kids are transferring to another school in HB where lacrosse is sanctioned. Sad for everyone around.



Which schools?

I went to Edison, who take their football VERY seriously... and would prohibit Players from participating in Wrestling practice until Football was over.

Huntington Beach High and Ocean View are the other big Football schools, and all three are in close enough proximity that i could see transfers happening.

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Duckbill @ Jul 3 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Lacrosse is in spring and hockey is in the fall/winter as it should be, then there should be no conflict.

Lacrosse practice begins in January so if hockey is going on there may be a conflict. I say may because it's doubtful that hockey practices would be right after school since there is no rink at school, but that means lacrosse practice after school every day and then maybe hockey practice at night and when is there time for homework??

Hockey season for SCAHA which was brought up in the discussion begins in October and ends in late February with playoffs happening after that. Even inhouse begins in October and ends around the same time but with fewer games and practices, so hockey is a very long season. Tournaments take place every holiday in between.

Again this is just speculation.

QUOTE (Todrick @ Jul 3 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which schools?

I went to Edison, who take their football VERY seriously... and would prohibit Players from participating in Wrestling practice until Football was over.

Huntington Beach High and Ocean View are the other big Football schools, and all three are in close enough proximity that i could see transfers happening.


Didn't want to mention names, but since you pointed it out, it is Edison. Huntington Beach has a top ranked lacrosse program so that's where the kids are transerring to.

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Duckster24 @ Jul 2 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but High School hockey has been around for quite awhile in Southern California. There is a league out of Toyota Sports Center and one out of Valencia Ice Station. They've been around for at least 7-8 years.


I think that's where my friend plays, but I'm not sure =/

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 12:29 AM

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JSerra will play as a midget 16-and-under independent team under the Junior Ducks name and will compete against other teams in the Southern California Amateur Hockey Association.

Although not a sanctioned CIF sport, it is considered a varsity sport and players will earn letters.
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The Ducks will provide financial support for each team involved.

Organizers are modeling the program after that of the Dallas Stars, who have helped develop 70 high school teams and built 16 rinks in the Dallas area.
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Players in JSerra's area can practice at a rink in Aliso Viejo, but their home ice is Anaheim Ice, the Ducks practice facility, at the other end of the county where Hutchinson serves as hockey manager.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 05:37 AM

Ice Sports Academy is welcoming all high school students and their parents to attend a 30 minutes seminar. The prep school program is scheduled to start at Glacial Garden Ice Arena this fall.
This is a great opportunity for student athletes to combine School and Hockey in a learning well structure environment.


And then there's this going on as well. In an attempt to keep the very elite players in Southern California from going to the prep schools back east or in Minnesota or even billeting with families in Dallas, Detroit, etc, this is being launched. It's also a take on the aspect of "home schooling" for the top athletes in individual sports such as swimming, diving, golf, etc. Ice hockey at the top level these days sees many kids missing as much as a combined 2 to 3 weeks of school each year. If you go to prep school or are home schooled that time is built in to your schedule. So that's the theory of this program. For every Bobby Ryan, there are probably 250 parents here in So Cal who believe their kid is exactly like him and will do anything to provide the environment to prove it. Sadly, 95% end up at age 19 and at the end of the road for ice hockey because they aren't Bobby Ryan. Their schooling has suffered and now they and their parents have to pick up the pieces and start all over again after spending their college education money and mortgaging the house on "the dream".

Nothing against the truly elite kids in So Cal of which there are some and they will see their dreams realized, but once again the focus on athletics over education and financial responsiblity is truly sad.

That's why I find the high school program refreshing...play for your high school. While it won't be at a truly elite level with all the kids in So Cal being spread over so many high schools, you will be playing for your school. Hopefully, the kids who do play at the elite level will do so as well, as long as their clubs and SCAHA work together with the high school programs.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (hockeymom @ Jul 3 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't want to mention names, but since you pointed it out, it is Edison. Huntington Beach has a top ranked lacrosse program so that's where the kids are transerring to.



sounds fair to me... Edison has been 'Poaching' Football players from other schools for generations

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE (hockeymom @ Jul 3 2008, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sure they will eventually, but each school will have the choice whether to sanction it as a sport.

For example, lacrosse is the big thing right now and it was sanctioned by CIF only a couple of years ago. A couple of schools, one being in Hungtington Beach, Todrick, are having a difficult time getting it on the roster of CIF sports because it conflicts with other spring sports practice time i.e. football. A lot of football players are now going out for lacrosse because it's a new sport and it's fun. However, it takes time away from conditioning and spring football. That one school's football coach has had several football players leave the team (not superstars, but just everyday grinders) to play lacrosse instead. He used his leverage with the administration to keep them from sanctioning it as a CIF sport at the school. Now I understand a couple of the kids are transferring to another school in HB where lacrosse is sanctioned. Sad for everyone around.

The only downfall with ice hockey is that it may interfere with lacrosse too because some of the best lacrosse players these days are current or ex-ice hockey players. It would be sad to see them have to choose between the two sports if the season overlaps.


Being part of that fight for my school to have lacrosse as a CIF sanctioned sport 2 years ago, the only way that it will be sanctioned is just continued support. And it must be massive support. We started a club team 4 years ago, and after two straight years of petitioning and bringing well over 200 of the districts lacrosse players to board meetings to show the huge support for the sport, they got it sanctioned. Now it is a CIF sport, but there are no CIF championships because there are not enough schools in the CIF-Southern Section that have lacrosse as a CIF sport. They need 109 schools to get championships. We have an OC championship and an LA championship and those two teams play each other. It's a de facto CIF champion, but not a huge deal.

If just some students and parents can do that, I'm sure Brian Burke, the Ducks, students, and parents can all get that organized. It will take a lot of effort and continued naggings at board meetings and such but it can be done.

And as far as practicing goes, Lacrosse practice may begin in late January, but the season doesn't start until late February. These practices are usually to get players back into the rythym of catching, throwing, and shooting. Nothing too exciting and can easily be done in the spare time until Hockey season ends. And with no CIF playoffs or championships like I said, hockey season would end in mid-February. Especially if there aren't a lot of teams in the beginning and the limited ice space, the season will be shorter.

We do have CIF Roller Hockey, but they dont have championships either. Also almost every team in South OC plays up at the Gretzky Center. So practicing and time are very restricted. Ice hockey will have the same problems for a while. While Lacrosse just needs some goals and some grass to practice on, an ice rink is a harder thing to come by. And with all the equipment needed for ice hockey, kids will have to buy all their own equipment because these fledgling programs won't have the school funding early on and such. That is also a problem because of how much equipment hockey needs. Helmets, shoulder, arm, glove, pants, shins, skates, sticks, jerseys. Lacrosse is just helmet, shoulder, elbow, glove, stick, cleats, jerseys.

Hockey won't take off as fast as lacrosse will because of eachs' basic skill. You just need to be able to run to at least try lacrosse. Hockey requires skating. In lacrosse, a new player can pick up basic stick skills very quickly. It takes time to perfect them but they can be easily taught. Hockey will take learning stick skills, skating, and then doing both at the same time. HS Hockey will definitely take a while to grow.

And on the Lacrosse/Football thing, it did take a while for our Football coach to understand the sport and give in. He wasn't happy when I wanted to play lacrosse because it was during prime weightlifting and conditioning time. Due to field space and time, we even had to bend our practice schedule to his demands so the football guys could lift and run and then go to lacrosse practice about 20 minutes later. It wasnt the easiest thing, but in all HS sports, football is king. It also depends on the coach. Some coaches live by the football is king method, others encourage kids to go out and do many different sports and clubs and stuff to diversify our HS experience. My coach was a mix, but it was well worth it to spread out.

I doubt you will see much problems between the hockey scheduling and the players in other sports. With the dearth of teams and ice space, seasons will be shorter and conflicts will be minimal. I hope HS hockey can find its place in OC, but it will definitely take some time.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 06:17 AM

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And with all the equipment needed for ice hockey, kids will have to buy all their own equipment because these fledgling programs won't have the school funding early on and such. That is also a problem because of how much equipment hockey needs. Helmets, shoulder, arm, glove, pants, shins, skates, sticks, jerseys. Lacrosse is just helmet, shoulder, elbow, glove, stick, cleats, jerseys


I just bought my son his lacrosse gear and without the stick and shoes, it was $320. I know I will reach close to $500 when I buy him a better stick and the shoes later on. I know that if I were to start out with ice hockey gear, I would be in that same neighborhood, so lacrosse is a very expensive sport for equipment. The lacrosse helmet actually costs more than the hockey helmet.

The difference in the two as you pointed out is the ice time which here in So Cal is around $300 per hour. Travel hockey at the lowest level with just one out of area tournament costs minimum $4000 per year and at the elite level around $20K when you add lessons, etc.

I do believe that the Ducks/Samueli's will be picking up a lot of the cost at least initially for HS hockey. When reading about this first year, they are going to a tournament in Chicago for starters. For club, that alone would cost each kid easily $1000 with airfare, hotel, registration, and food and that's getting a great fare and staying at a hotel for less than $100 per night. Also when you play club, you pay for at least 2 coaches airfare, hotel, and food perdiem, so $1000 is being conservative. I doubt that each kid on this J Serra team is going to pay that much, so it will be subsidized on a huge level by the Ducks/Samueli's.

Believe me, I hope HS hockey takes off. My son will only be able to experience it in the infancy stages but that will be good enough for him. And if the Ducks are going to pay for it, that will make me even happier.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:34 PM

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Santa Margarita Catholic High School will join the Anaheim Ducks High School Hockey League for the 2009-10 season. Santa Margarita joins the JSerra Catholic High School in the program, which launched in September 2008. Several more schools are expected to join the league next season.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 10:54 PM

Good news, and hey, I live right across the street! Yeah I know they aren't playing the games there but still.

It would be a very good inroad for the sport if fans in this part of Orange County really start getting into the sport, I know I see people in their Ducks gear or with stickers and plate frames on their cars a lot more often since the logo switch.





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