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#426 Sloth

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:14 PM

My "unadulterated hatred for Eric Stephens" ???

That's so ridiculous it's hilarious!!!

I think Eric Stepehens isn't a very good beat writer for the Ducks and say so with documented reasons why, and you think I have "unadulterated hatred for Eric Stephens".

Try connecting some dots before making that accusation.

And Sloth didn't document jack for you. None of you even touch the overwhelming evidence that Matheson talked to Boudreau directly himself.


Just answer this one thing. What does "reduced price and reduced role" mean to you?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

While reserving comment on L&G's level of hatred or love, I would like to make clear that I am the one that thinks EStephens is a really incompetent excuse for a journalist. He might be a nice guy, I have no idea. But he's a lousy sports reporter.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:27 PM

As what my mom tells her preschool kids "Get what you get, and don't through a fit"

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:28 PM

I'm afraid the 2nd line Center next season will be Holland or Koivu or Ryan, or even Bonino.

Unless there are other major moves, that's a "fail" in my book

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

Just answer this one thing. What does "reduced price and reduced role" mean to you?


The issue is that one reporter writes that the Ducks are planning to continue with Koivu. It's affirmative reportage.

The other reporter says the same thing that us schmucks say here: the Ducks would like to continue with Koivu. That's stating the obvious.

I'm afraid the 2nd line Center next season will be Holland or Koivu or Ryan, or even Bonino.

Unless there are other major moves, that's a "fail" in my book


I agree.

And if I was the beat writer for the Ducks, I'd ask Bob Murray straight up what he PLANS to do about centering the second line. If needed, I'd ask him if he planned on bringing a player in through trade or FA, or if he planned to roll the dice that someone already with the Ducks would step up and satisfy that role.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

The issue is that one reporter writes that the Ducks are planning to continue with Koivu. It's affirmative reportage.

The other reporter says the same thing that us schmucks say here: the Ducks would like to continue with Koivu. That's stating the obvious.


And again, that was before there was information that they are planning on having him 3rd line center, Now that they(reporters) know that they are, he writes

Koivu, 37, had 11 goals and 27 assists along with a plus-7 rating. The Ducks would prefer an upgrade on the second line but value the veteran’s savvy and competitiveness enough that they’d gladly use him as their third-line center that can kill penalties, win faceoffs and see some time on the power play.



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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:42 PM

And again, that was before there was information that they are planning on having him 3rd line center, Now that they(reporters) know that they are, he writes


But if you are a reporter, your very next (obvious) question to the Ducks (BM, I would assume) is:

"And who are you targeting/projecting as your second line center."

Is that also in the article? I didn't read it.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:43 PM

L&G,
Fine, you don't hate Stephens you just hate the job he does as a beat writer for the Ducks. You used to respect Stephens but recently every time you mention him is to rip him for being an incompetent boob. That's what I was inferring in that post, not that you hated him as a person.

I think you're reading WAY too much into a single word used in a monstrous blog by an Edmonton reporter. He's not directly quoting anyone in that sentence and regardless of whether or not he talked with Bruce Boudreau he did not talk to Bob Murray and last I checked it was Bob Murray, not Boudreau, that is the Ducks GM. Whatever the case, though, he's not quoting anyone and not providing anything specific nor anything that we haven't heard before from other sources. We'll all know soon enough whether or not the Ducks will bring back Koivu and, if so, what his role is expected to be.

This thread has gotten completely off topic and I'm done talking about what some reporter for Edmonton did or did not put in his "This 'n That" portion of his blog. If Koivu comes back as the Ducks third line center I'd be happy to have him.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

Here's a "twitter" "internet" thing I don't like, and it's not particular to Iceman dumbeth.

"The Ducks would like to have Koivu on a third line and killing penalties at a reduced price".

OK, well, so would most teams. Not one person in the Duck organization is going to contest that statement. But my question is "did someone make that statement?" or is EStephens just throwing stuff out there? If someone did say that, did they swear him to secrecy? I mean you don't have to be a reporter to make that statement and have total deniability. I mean, I guess, that it means nothing to say that. Why don't we hear who the source is? My guess is that in most cases the "source" is some locker room attendant who buddies up with the reporter.

Honest this one isn't picking on EStephens. They say it on tv, on blogs ... Brian Engblom comes on and pontificates on what the Sens hope to do in the offseason, but where is it coming from and does it mean anything?

It is lazy to me. It's like Dan Wood (and look, he got it from 100000 guys before him) with the inane "that second goal was pretty special, talk about it for us". Come on, man! Ask a question!

DO AN INTERVIEW. Give us the name of the person saying this stuff.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:46 PM

BTW, I would REALLY like to see this team go all out next season, in no small part to see Koivu back in the playoffs and with some type of decent shot at a Cup.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:54 PM

...

DO AN INTERVIEW. Give us the name of the person saying this stuff.


I think you're dead wrong. I think it's real clear he talked directly to Bob Murray.

Show me from where he says Bob Murray is open to re-signing the veteran center.

He lays a real good foundation that he talked directly to Bob Murray, and then he follows it up by saying that "The Ducks would prefer an upgrade on the second line...gladly use him as their third-line center that can kill penalties".

To me it's ludicrous to think he got that from nothing after quoting Koivu directly so much and talking about Bob Murray.

(Yes, I took L&G's "proof" changed it and used it here)

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

(Yes, I took L&G's "proof" changed it and used it here)


I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or another pile-on. But I suppose I deserve both ;) Sorry for the unintended firestorm...

In any event, Troy Looney is right and we are way off topic.

I am glad to hear that beyond wanting to have Koivu back, we are planning on it ahead of time.

I would like a reporter to ask Teemu if he would want to join Saku on the third line.

A little gasoline wouldn't hurt going into this Draft/FA/Trade season.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:38 PM

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To me it's ludicrous to think he got that from nothing after quoting Koivu directly so much and talking about Bob Murray.

(Yes, I took L&G's "proof" changed it and used it here)


Although I do see what you did there, I think that the #1 guy in this "new" breed of journalist is that idiot Rich Hammond. I mean a fan will ask him "what do the Kings think of bringing Dustin Penner back" and he'll give the guy 3000 words on what the Kings think, not once quoting anyone and in fact prefacing it with stuff like "what I see the Kings thinking is ...". It's not journalism, it's some blogging device where the organization hires a guy to go out and give it a good spin. I know EStephens hasn't made that step (Hammond did) but he may as well have. When is the last (or heck, ANY) time you heard of EStephens getting a one on one interview with the GM of the team he follows for a living?

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I am glad to hear that beyond wanting to have Koivu back, we are planning on it ahead of time.

I would like a reporter to ask Teemu if he would want to join Saku on the third line.

A little gasoline wouldn't hurt going into this Draft/FA/Trade season.


This team could STILL get it done. Heck if they really keep Saku and Teemu and make Saku the 3rd line center and a PK specialist and make Teemu a PP specialist ... and then actually for a second line? That would be a very sound roster. The problem of course is that you can say that of any team! Make their 2nd line their 3rd line and bring in a brand new second line that is good and they'll win the Cup!

I'm sorry to be even more of a downer today but I'm pretty frustrated with how we have fallen apart, and I'm more frustrated watching ABrady and EStephens pimp our newfound 3rd line. Idiots.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:56 PM

Although I do see what you did there, I think that the #1 guy in this "new" breed of journalist is that idiot Rich Hammond. ...

Not to give Hammond any excuses, but you've got to admit that the tone is set for verbal diarrhea over there at LAK by Dean Lombardi.

Lombo is the exact opposite of Bob Murray in utterance, but probably his equal with content.

I've never heard anyone say so little in saying so much as Deano... apart from politics.


This team could STILL get it done. Heck if they really keep Saku and Teemu and make Saku the 3rd line center and a PK specialist and make Teemu a PP specialist ... and then actually for a second line? ...


You are peeking into the mind of a Boob with that first statement. Beware.

And don't fall into that trap you mentioned of thinking that these players are better than they are.

Tricky territory here... we need a new guide to navigate it.

Just don't take a page out of the Wang playbook and replace Bob Murray with Dan Ellis.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:01 PM

Here's my objection, in a nutshell, of the whole "oh great, bring Saku back as a third liner, problem solved" deal.

The focus should be on HIRE A CENTER THAT IS BETTER THAN SAKU then Saku becomes the third line center by default. I'm really pulling my hair out trying to figure how anyone could be pimping the "saku to third line" move without FIRST having a second line center.

Not to give Hammond any excuses, but you've got to admit that the tone is set for verbal diarrhea over there at LAK by Dean Lombardi.

Lombo is the exact opposite of Bob Murray in utterance, but probably his equal with content.

I've never heard anyone say so little in saying so much as Deano... apart from politics.


Lombardi is really one odd dude, isn't he? Do you think he was fooling around with that "coulombs" thing or do you think he meant it? Half the time when I read a response of Lombardi to a Hammond question I think he's just messing around, purposely saying as many words as he can without conveying any meaning. He must be a really hard guy to work for.

I give Hammond no excuse. He blathers more than I do, all the time pretending he's like a scout or something. He's a PR guy that has followed hockey ever since he couldn't make a living following USC football. He is to journalism as I am to Olympic Gymnastics.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

... He is to journalism as I am to Olympic Gymnastics.


Give yourself a chance, man!

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 04:29 PM

I think we are in the hunt for a 2nd line center either through trade or free agency. Atleast, although not directly quoted by EStephens, BM knows Koivu isnt that guy. How he will plug that hole time will tell. But you got to give him the rope to hang himself.

I know Holland is in the mix. I just dont want that job handed to him without playing a significant stint in the NHL. What scares me and you guys are thinking it as well is that we go out and get another failed first round pick touting him as the savior of the 2nd line only to find he is a 3rd line guy and better suited at wing.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:08 PM

“Obviously it’s going to take a little bit of time for management to review what happened in the previous season and make a plan for next year. But I don’t see reason why it should take far into the summer.

“But it’s too early to say right now. We’ll see. I’m confident we’ll get things done.”

OCR blog entry by Stephens

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:59 PM

In summation of what we know. What do we need to do: get better. How are we going to do it: F**k do I know.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:37 PM

Saku Koivu has been signed to a one-year extension. No terms yet but he will be back next season. Now, let's hope it's as the third line center and not as the second line center.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:50 PM

Per Stephens
Koivu's deal is $3 million plus bonuses.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:56 PM

Saku Koivu has been signed to a one-year extension. No terms yet but he will be back next season. Now, let's hope it's as the third line center and not as the second line center.


There is no way we can field him at #2 center when he had 11 goals and Getzy had 10. We need someone who can score at that spot and still make plays for whoever his winger is (and at 41 that shouldnt be Selanne either). We are taking Blake off the books. His salary is enough to find a decent center.

Saku is great insurance that in the case the #2 center chokes some games, Saku can be that stop gap. At a full or near 82 games we might as well be looking at the 2013 lottery and seeing what we like.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:59 PM

Per Stephens
Koivu's deal is $3 million plus bonuses.


He got a raise?????? Son of a..... DAMNIT BOB! I dont see how Koivu making $3mil, a 500k riase, lands him on the 3rd line next year.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:05 PM

There is no way we can field him at #2 center when he had 11 goals and Getzy had 10.

i believe that would make him our #1 center :lol:




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