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#1 Dark Knight

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 07:26 AM

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General manager Bob Murray confirmed in an email over the weekend that the organization will have its minor league players spread out among American Hockey League affiliates.

While details should come later about the specific teams, perhaps the more important concern is how it will effect the development of the Ducks’ prospects.
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:09 AM


I hope Portland will take some of our kids. They were always good to them there.

We can wear the egg on our face with dignity.

I guess that would be scrambled.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:11 AM

What a mess, but I don't know what else Murray and the Ducks could have done under the circumstances.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:28 AM

QUOTE (Dark Knight @ Jul 27 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a mess, but I don't know what else Murray and the Ducks could have done under the circumstances.

What's that saying about looking before you leap?

In the haste to move our kids closer, it's blown up in our face.

And in my opinion, the timing is pretty bad. We sorely need some prospects to ripen and fill roster needs in '10-11.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE (ladiesandgentlemen @ Jul 27 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's that saying about looking before you leap?

In the haste to move our kids closer, it's blown up in our face.

And in my opinion, the timing is pretty bad. We sorely need some prospects to ripen and fill roster needs in '10-11.

No doubt. But it's probably another Burke mess (although ownership may have had a hand in it as well) that Murray has had to clean up.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 12:23 PM

well it still sucks but i gues we kind of all expceted it by now, so our prospects will be taking turns agaisnt eachother, that really sucks, thanks burkie
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 12:48 PM

It's not all doom and gloom, but it's definitely not sunshine and lollipops either. What doesn't kill our prospects will certainly make them stronger. We'll just have to make do and roll with the punches. (Did I leave out any other cliches?)

From the NHL.com article on last season's Stars prospects spread out through the AHL:
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Wathier spoke to his new coaches early and said he has been treated the same as the Ducks prospects who are now his teammates.

"The only problem we've really bumped into is that everybody else had their farm team and their own players," Stars co-general manager Les Jackson said. "But the guys who are good players earn their ice time, they're getting ample opportunity."

To avoid conflicts over playing time, Manitoba general manager Craig Heisinger, whose team is Vancouver's primary affiliate, only asked that the Stars send top-line players.
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Even with affiliations to get NHL prospects, minor league teams still have to supplement their rosters with free agents and other players.

The Stars' situation helps fill some of those gaps this season, which Jackson described as "a good win-win for both sides."
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During his time in Peoria, Conner had been one of the Rivermen - not a Star among Blues prospects. He was recalled by Dallas earlier this month.

"When you're working hard together, it doesn't take long to feel like that's your group," Peoria coach Davis Payne said. "We knew we have to treat them just like they're our own, and that's what we try to do."
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Against Grand Rapids, Wathier found himself going against fellow Stars prospect and good buddy Garrett Stafford in a very physical game.

"Every time I knew I was coming pretty hard on him, I would just say 'Heads up!' and he knew I was coming," Wathier said. "You've got to keep that respect sometimes through friendship, but you've got do a job on the ice."

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:31 PM

Well nobodys in Iowa due to Iowa seasons is suspended

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (Dark Knight @ Jul 27 2009, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No doubt. But it's probably another Burke mess (although ownership may have had a hand in it as well) that Murray has had to clean up.

Exactly how are Iowa's financial problems Burke's fault?


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:26 PM

Not the money end, but probably referring to the move to get the farm club closer to the same time zone (thus the reference to the Samueli ownership, which is trying to grow local hockey interest).

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 05:02 AM

our prospects won't get the time they deserve.. they will be given second priorities on the team. like dallas, can't we build our own AHL team?

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 04:12 PM

Well, now we can drive out to Bakersfield to watch some of the lower level Ducks prospects like Regan, Bolt, Bailey and maybe a goalie like Pielemier (sp?) or Levasseur as a few more will likely be in the ECHL.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 04:25 PM


One thing to keep in mind is that the ECHL has a salary cap of something around $12k per week, so they can't take on too many NHL prospects.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE (DucksRule00 @ Jul 28 2009, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, now we can drive out to Bakersfield to watch some of the lower level Ducks prospects like Regan, Bolt, Bailey and maybe a goalie like Pielemier (sp?) or Levasseur as a few more will likely be in the ECHL.


I wouldn't bet on seeing Bailey in Bakersfield next season.

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One thing to keep in mind is that the ECHL has a salary cap of something around $12k per week, so they can't take on too many NHL prospects.

Contracted players only count as $500 towards the salary cap per player.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 06:54 AM

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General manager Bob Murray said the San Antonio Rampage will be the main American Hockey League team that the Ducks will use this season in addition to a couple of other AHL teams in the Midwest.
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The Rampage, affiliate of the Phoenix Coyotes, will be the primary hub for recalling and assigning players during the season.
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 02:08 PM

That's really good news. The Rampage might be the closest team to Anaheim (maybe the Heat are a tad closer) of all the options available. Quite a bit closer, even, than Iowa. This also puts Anaheim in a pretty good situation, depending on how Phoenix's own situation goes, for the Rampage being the AHL affiliate of the Ducks.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 04:41 AM

It is best possible solution.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 12:20 AM

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"If we don't have the ability to put a guy in the American League he may be in Bakersfield," McNabb said. "We're not going to put them someplace (in the AHL) where they're not going to play.

"You want guys to be playing a lot so sometimes you decide between are they going to be in the American League and maybe not playing as much or sending them to (Bakersfield) where they will be playing more."

McNabb said the AHL picture remains a bit cloudy so it was impossible to say how many players could end up in Bakersfield but did say one would be a goaltender.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 11:55 AM

Can someone explain to me why the Ducks can't just create an AHL expansion team to use as their primary affiliate? Not in time for this season, obviously, but in time for next season? Is there any reason the Ducks couldn't just create a team in Sacramento/Salt Lake/San Diego/Las Vegas/Fresno/Portland/Seattle and use them as their affiliate?

Option #1 - Play a lot of minutes in Bakersfield of the ECHL with primary attention from the coaches
Option #2 - Play fewer minutes in ??? of the AHL with less attention from the coaches

I prefer Option #1. I hope a lot of players get sent to Bakersfield and I hope the goalie that is sent is a good one. Better to be in the Ducks system, with Ducks approved coaches and playing the minutes that the Ducks want then to have them being treated as an outsider getting leftover minutes for some other team.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (TroyLoney @ Aug 27 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can someone explain to me why the Ducks can't just create an AHL expansion team to use as their primary affiliate? Not in time for this season, obviously, but in time for next season? Is there any reason the Ducks couldn't just create a team in Sacramento/Salt Lake/San Diego/Las Vegas/Fresno/Portland/Seattle and use them as their affiliate?


same reason Balsillie can't just create an NHL team in Hamilton.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (TroyLoney @ Aug 27 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can someone explain to me why the Ducks can't just create an AHL expansion team to use as their primary affiliate? Not in time for this season, obviously, but in time for next season? Is there any reason the Ducks couldn't just create a team in Sacramento/Salt Lake/San Diego/Las Vegas/Fresno/Portland/Seattle and use them as their affiliate?

Option #1 - Play a lot of minutes in Bakersfield of the ECHL with primary attention from the coaches
Option #2 - Play fewer minutes in ??? of the AHL with less attention from the coaches

I prefer Option #1. I hope a lot of players get sent to Bakersfield and I hope the goalie that is sent is a good one. Better to be in the Ducks system, with Ducks approved coaches and playing the minutes that the Ducks want then to have them being treated as an outsider getting leftover minutes for some other team.


I'm not sure what kind of relationship the Ducks have with Bakersfield but it's nothing like what they had with Portland and Iowa. For one they have no say over the coaching staff and thus no say over what style they coach. It's an affiliation and the players that get sent there play the system that's already in place which may or may not resemble the style instructed by Randy Carlyle. It's only beneficial sending borderline players there because they're the ones that will get dicked over playing for an AHL team that's not affiliated with us. The MacMillans, Miteras and Beleskys will get plenty of ice-time because they are good players. The Bots, Baileys and Bickels will not so we should expect them to be sent to Bakersfield.

It's not like the Ducks prefer this situation, they hate it. They absolutely want another AHL affiliate as soon as possible. Now owning their own franchise might seem to be the best choice but it may not make sense to the team financially. Teams that own their own AHL franchises have money to spend and have teams in areas that will turn a slight profit. Added a team out West will only service convenience to the Ducks. It's hard enough to get people out in this part of the world to watch the best hockey there is and it's damn near impossible to convince them to watch minor league hockey. I live near Ontario and let me tell you, the Reign aren't a hot ticket despite the amount of hockey fans out here and how good they were. I can't imagine many of the places you mentioned would be stronger draws regardless if it's a level higher. The Ducks don't even make money, how is a minor league team supposed to?

The situation is we need to just tough it out this season and find another affiliate next season. If they have to buy a dormant franchise and operate themselves they will but that won't be their first option otherwise they would just bought the Chops and kept things running this season. My guess is we'll provide Bakersfield with about 7-8 players, maybe ten at the most. Our better prospects like MacMillan, Belesky and Mitera will go to San Antonio and the rest will be spread out with no more than 2 or 3 to a team. Some people are freaking out that our kids won't see any ice time and that's crap. The teams they'll be sent to just won't have to sign an AHL free agent and they'll take their spot. Guys like Ajay Baines, Adrian Veideman and TJ Trevalyan saw plenty of ice-time with the Chops last year. Hell Baines was the captain. The only guys who are going to suffer are the ones being sent to Bakersfield who could probably make an AHL roster but these are kids who have a terrible chance of ever being Ducks so who cares?

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE (TheJoeMan @ Aug 27 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure what kind of relationship the Ducks have with Bakersfield but it's nothing like what they had with Portland and Iowa. For one they have no say over the coaching staff and thus no say over what style they coach. It's an affiliation and the players that get sent there play the system that's already in place which may or may not resemble the style instructed by Randy Carlyle. It's only beneficial sending borderline players there because they're the ones that will get dicked over playing for an AHL team that's not affiliated with us. The MacMillans, Miteras and Beleskys will get plenty of ice-time because they are good players. The Bots, Baileys and Bickels will not so we should expect them to be sent to Bakersfield.

Your mostly correct with your assessment. The majority of the players we will get will most likely be bubble type players and not full fledged AHL guys. Our coach is pretty similar to Carlyle, he likes a hard checking physical style and is tough to play for (read, not a players coach) laugh.gif. Pro hockey in California is pretty hot and cold depending on where you go. Ontario has struggled with their attendance which surprised me, but if you come here to Bakersfield or go up to Stockton, you will find we do fairly well with attendance. San Diego and Fresno used to do real well but have fallen by the wayside. Its very hit or miss, I have no idea why.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 02:08 PM

We may need a special thread to help us keep track of the "Ducklings"....

Found this in a Winnipeg paper:

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The Manitoba Moose defence corps just got a shot in the arm with the addition of Brian Salcido.

Salcido cleared waivers Monday morning and was assigned to the Moose by the Anaheim Ducks.


(Ok....we knew that, but it's nice to know they're excited by it!)

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The Moose have two other players on Ducks contracts in camp, defencemen John de Gray and Eric Regan, but both are considered longshots to remain in Manitoba this season.


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Boy, it would suck to be a lower-level Duck prospect, and have to "try out" for every team they tried to send you to. dontgetit.gif

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 02:54 PM

Ok....In keeping with my suggestion, this is what I have:

San Antonio Rampage
Matt Beleskey
Maxime Macenauer
Dan Sexton
MacGregor Sharp
Shawn Weller
Stu Bickel
Brett Festerling
JP Lavasseur
Timo Pielmeier

Manitoba Moose
Brian Salcido
Eric Regan
John Degray

Unknown
Bobby Bolt
Brennan Evans

No guarantee that any of these players will STAY where they are at the moment....And, of course some of the players in the Ducks camp will be sent *somewhere*.

If anyone has news on the Unknowns, or sees news of movement of any players, feel free to tack them on. Maybe we'll be able to keep a running tally of where-the-Duck-eggs-are.

Ideally, it would be nice if the Ducks webpage was detailed enough to keep us informed. But recent history says they won't be all that detailed.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 03:22 PM

I've added links to the Rampage and the Moose on AD's links page for easy access.





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