Yes or No? ... and let's hear why.
Life after Burke?... NO! Let's discuss life after Pronger.
#1
Posted 10 October 2009 - 11:58 AM
Yes or No? ... and let's hear why.
#2
Posted 10 October 2009 - 09:08 PM
Yes or No? ... and let's hear why.
Yes, but only because he wasn't going to sign a new contract.
#3
Posted 11 October 2009 - 05:32 PM
#4
Posted 12 October 2009 - 07:59 AM
- He wasn't going to re-sign.
- He hadn't been himself since winning the Cup, He was lazy and RARELY fired a one timer form the point, preferring to pass it off to someone who didn't have a shot or to give up a turn-over.
- Joffrey Lupul, We needed the speed and offense, Lupul is a known quantity, so I like this move.
- Luca Sbisa, Kid's going to be a stud.
- The reputation he carries, was hurting this team more than his play was helping.
#5
Posted 12 October 2009 - 09:33 AM
We got two players for the price of one in Lupul and Sbisa. One can provide offense. The other has a lot of years ahead of him as a defenseman.
We got rid of a big salary.
Pronger is no longer in the same conference, meaning he won't come back and bite us very often. Once or twice a year, barring a SCF series.
It seemed to be a win-win-win situation for everyone involved. Does our D suffer? Yes, a little bit, but not significantly.
#6
Posted 19 October 2009 - 02:12 PM
but we are gonna miss him and as if losing him wasent bad enough then we also lost Beauchemin!
Murray is really going to need to sign or trade to get a defencmen, but Luca Sbisa is a beast!
#7
Posted 12 November 2009 - 03:11 AM
Sbisa is back in jr's, yes he's talented but ask yourself, will he ever be as good as Pronger is now? Pronger is at a PPG clip amongst the league leaders in ice time and +/- what we really miss is his TOUGHNESS, the D just gets abused way to much and those rebounds Hiller leaves aren't cleared away.
We coulda kept Pronger and Niedermayer together, Pronger signed a 7 year extension, while Nieds is likely to retire next year, so what are we left with? Whitney, Wiz, and a bunch of marginal players and who knows if Sbisa will be ready
I thought we had good value at the time but the fact is those firsts are late firsts and Lupuls cap hit the next few years is slightly lower than Prongers.......in hindsight i don't like it as much, Giguere shoulda been gone by any means to keep Pronger, we still coulda signed Koivu and found someone as productive as lupul, cheaper
#8
Posted 12 November 2009 - 03:18 AM
No team who has traded Pronger has made the playoffs the year after and it looks like the trend is going to continue. What could have been another cup run is instead yet another bad start, mainly due to an inferior defense and atrocious special teams, both areas which Pronger excelled in.
#9
Posted 12 November 2009 - 03:49 AM
#10
Posted 12 November 2009 - 06:41 AM
#11
Posted 12 December 2009 - 06:54 PM
Sbisa is back in jr's, yes he's talented but ask yourself, will he ever be as good as Pronger is now? Pronger is at a PPG clip amongst the league leaders in ice time and +/- what we really miss is his TOUGHNESS, the D just gets abused way to much and those rebounds Hiller leaves aren't cleared away.
We coulda kept Pronger and Niedermayer together, Pronger signed a 7 year extension, while Nieds is likely to retire next year, so what are we left with? Whitney, Wiz, and a bunch of marginal players and who knows if Sbisa will be ready
I thought we had good value at the time but the fact is those firsts are late firsts and Lupuls cap hit the next few years is slightly lower than Prongers.......in hindsight i don't like it as much, Giguere shoulda been gone by any means to keep Pronger, we still coulda signed Koivu and found someone as productive as lupul, cheaper
You know something? I couldn't agree more.
#12
Posted 12 December 2009 - 09:56 PM
No team who has traded Pronger has made the playoffs the year after and it looks like the trend is going to continue. What could have been another cup run is instead yet another bad start, mainly due to an inferior defense and atrocious special teams, both areas which Pronger excelled in.
I love Pronger, but we got a great package for him, and we had a slow start last year with him. And for what it's worth, Philly has been inconsistent this year with him.
You have to build a team that can compete for many years, not just throw everything into one year, and we added the pieces to do that by trading Pronger.
#13
Posted 14 December 2009 - 10:45 PM
You have to build a team that can compete for many years, not just throw everything into one year, and we added the pieces to do that by trading Pronger.
I am fully confident Pronger will still be a top pairing defenseman when he's 40 and yes they did have a slow year with Pronger, but that was mainly to do with how atrocious our number 3-6 guys were. Festerling, Hedican, Mikkelson and Brookbank aren't exactly a solid bottom 4, the Ducks were hovering between 4th and 5th in the conference when Beauchemin got hurt. Philadelphia's in a slump right now but Pronger has been by far their best player and IMO is a favorite for the Norris right now despite his teams performance.
#14
Posted 14 December 2009 - 11:15 PM
You have to build a team that can compete for many years, not just throw everything into one year, and we added the pieces to do that by trading Pronger.
Philly has the same number of points as we do at present time.
I think the trade was a necessary thing to do, although I don't agree with the notion that our Defense suffored slightly. It suffored a major blow and it shows. We are clearly not the same team this year as we were in 07. Pronger wasn't the only piece to this puzzle, but he was a big piece.
Like I said though, it was an unfortunate necessity.
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