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[TroyLoney]

I realize that the Ducks are in the middle of a playoff race and that there are many more games to be played in the 2009/2010 season. But, with just 19 days of trading left before the NHL trading deadline and as someone who likes to look ahead I thought I'd create a thread for us to discuss who the Ducks have signed beyond this season and what we think GM Bob Murray should do before the trading deadline, at the draft and in free agency. If you think it's too early to talk about this stuff, fine - click back to the rest of the forum and join the discussion in a few weeks/months.

Here's who the Ducks have under contract for next season according to NHLNumbers.com:

FORWARDS
(Name - Salary)

Corey Perry - $5.375
Ryan Getzlaf - $5.125
Joffrey Lupul - $4.250
Todd Marchant - $1.250
Petteri Nokelainen - $0.950
George Parros - $0.875
MacGregor Sharp - $0.875
Ryan Carter - $0.725
Matt Beleskey - $0.620
Mike Brown - $0.575
Dan Sexton - $0.575
Troy Bodie - $0.500


DEFENSEMEN
(Name - Salary)

Ryan Whitney - $4.500
Steve Eminger - $1.500
Luca Sbisa - $0.825
Brett Festerling - $0.525

GOALIES
(Name - Salary)

J.S. Giguere - $7.000

Total salary committed - $36.095 million
Total cap hit (according to NHLNumbers.com) - $33.454 million
Available cap space if the cap remains the same - $23.346 million

RFA's
Bobby Ryan
Justin Pogge
Kyle Chipchura
James Wisniewski
Brendan Mikkelson

I think we need to get at least two defenseman, two or three forwards and a goalie signed - and that's assuming we keep the players we currently have. What players fill those roster spots, and whether those players come from the RFAs listed above, UFAs signed over the summer or via trade is what we are here to discuss.

[DucksDefender10]

I say trade Boynton back to Phoenix since they're searching for a veteran defensman at the trade deadline for Zybneck Michalek. Let him play for the rest of the season for Anaheim and if he performs well, resign him on July 1st.

[TroyLoney]

I say trade Boynton back to Phoenix since they're searching for a veteran defensman at the trade deadline for Zybneck Michalek. Let him play for the rest of the season for Anaheim and if he performs well, resign him on July 1st.

If Phoenix would go for that I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd also be in favor of the Ducks signing Michalek as a UFA this summer.

[West of House]

An AHL affiliate.

[General:Moters]

I say trade Boynton back to Phoenix since they're searching for a veteran defensman at the trade deadline for Zybneck Michalek. Let him play for the rest of the season for Anaheim and if he performs well, resign him on July 1st.

Sure, we'll even throw in Eminger and they add Oliver Ekman-Larsson to the deal.

In other words: [Click!]


(Phoenix would never consider doing that.)

[DucksDefender10]

(Phoenix would never consider doing that.)

Ha probably not, but crazier things have happened before.

[Ducks15]

Get rid of Whitney.. that's my first move. Hopefully we can get a decent return on him over the off-season, but it's not that likely.

[General:Moters]

Ha probably not, but crazier things have happened before.

Too true. And I'll certainly hope for some craziness to our benefit. Cheers!

[DUX714]

Get rid of Whitney.. that's my first move. Hopefully we can get a decent return on him over the off-season, but it's not that likely.

I agree.. this guy is always around when something bad happens. He gave up the puck for a shorthanded break away last night and took the cross checking penalty in the last 2 minutes of the game. How is he even considered for the US team?
We need someone to run the powerplay from the point. Whitney tried last night, poor results. Boynton tried last night.. looked lost at best. Carlyle had to rely on Getz to run the last PP.

[ducksfan13]

we are paying ryan whitney HOW MUCH???? oh wow that money could be used sooo much better

[ducksfan95]

we are paying ryan whitney HOW MUCH???? oh wow that money could be used sooo much better

4 million

[ducksfan13]

4 million

and more as the years go on... i think im going to be sick

[German Rocket #7]

I still think that it is elementary for the Ducks to realize, that this season is lost. We HAVE TO trade Niedermayer and Koivu at the deadline for Picks, Prospects and Roster Players, who have got a bright future ahead of them. We all know that GMs nowadays are more than willing to give up some big chunk of the future in order to get that missing piece - and both Niedermayer and Koivu might very well be just that for several teams.

Look, if we traded Scotty, we'd most likely get a 1st, a 2nd, a great prospect and a decent roster player in return. That'd give us 3 1st Round Picks and 2 2nd Round Picks in this year's Draft. We could easily use these picks to either trade for a standout defenseman (I still stand by my words that Seabrook will be available once this season is over) or rebuild via Draft. Whitney could still be traded somewhere else for a nice return, even though it would most likely not include a 1st Round Pick. We'd have, though, enough cap space to easily sign Bobby and Hiller (even though I'm not exactly sold on Hiller at all) and get in some nice FAs come July 1st.

Add to all that, that we should clearly get Mitera and Gardiner to the Ducks as well as Sbisa (again), and we may have a good-looking team next season. If we manage to get a very good defenseman aged somewhere around 30, he could mentor our young defensemen and we're also set for future years.

[TroyLoney]

I still think that it is elementary for the Ducks to realize, that this season is lost. We HAVE TO trade Niedermayer and Koivu at the deadline for Picks, Prospects and Roster Players, who have got a bright future ahead of them.

I agree that the Ducks should be sellers at the deadline. I'm not sure we'd get quite the return for Scotty that you propose but I have no information to argue one way or another - just a hunch. I hope you are right and I do agree that the return for him would be very good considering how many teams would be bidding on him. The same is true of Koivu as well, though certainly to a lesser degree.

I also agree that the Ducks need to start working on the roster for next season right now and stop worrying about this season. The best case scenario for this season is another low seed in the playoffs and, most likely, a first-round playoff loss. That's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is that Murray sits on his hands or makes minor deals in the next month only to see the team miss the playoffs anyway.

I'll put it this way...which of these scenarios would you rather have:

1. The Ducks keep Niedermayer & Koivu at the deadline and go on to miss the playoffs
2. The Ducks keep Niedermayer & Koivu at the deadline, make the playoffs but lose in the first round to Chicago or San Jose
3. The Ducks trade Niedermayer & Koivu at the deadline and miss the playoffs but enter the summer with a new stud, NHL ready prospect forward, three first round draft picks, three second round draft picks, a ton of cap space and a couple mid-level prospects

I'd prefer #3, myself.

[DucksDefender10]

3. The Ducks trade Niedermayer & Koivu at the deadline and miss the playoffs but enter the summer with a new stud, NHL ready prospect forward, three first round draft picks, three second round draft picks, a ton of cap space and a couple mid-level prospects

I'd prefer #3, myself.

3's company in my opinion. If Murray really wants Scott to retire a Duck and Scotts ready to retire, sign him during the offseason for close to nothing and let him retire a couple games in like Brett Hull did in Phoenix a couple years back....If thats even NHL legal, haha.

[kidish]

The third scenario is ideal, but not with the present coaching staff in place. Half those picks wouldn't ever play, so there's no point.

[TroyLoney]

The third scenario is ideal, but not with the present coaching staff in place. Half those picks wouldn't ever play, so there's no point.

Considering we have an undrafted free agent rookie playing on the second line right now, along with four other former first round picks in the top six (Getzlaf, Lupul, Perry & Ryan) I would disagree with you, but that's a discussion for another thread.

We agree that #3 is ideal and I hope that's what comes to pass.

[HockeyHeaven]

We agree that #3 is ideal and I hope that's what comes to pass.

I think I said somewhere on the boards last week that the next ten games or so would seal the deal, one way or the other.

1-3

#3, here come the Ducks!

And I think with that, Samueli and/or Schulman have to be very analytical when assessing Murray and Carlyle. Tough questions need to be asked and answered, and if all I heard was the same old, same old, I would be looking in another direction.

[TroyLoney]

And I think with that, Samueli and/or Schulman have to be very analytical when assessing Murray and Carlyle. Tough questions need to be asked and answered, and if all I heard was the same old, same old, I would be looking in another direction.

Agreed. If the Ducks decide they want to start working on next season that should include a decision on whether or not Bob Murray and/or Randy Carlyle are the guys they want in charge of the team.

[QuackHead]

I like #3 as well.

Going on that streak then losing, then winning, now losing 2 more...it's hard to make that kind of decision because they've shown that they CAN make a run at a playoff spot. The problem is, I'm pretty sure if they do squeeze in, they'll need to bring in a top 4 to make it to the Cup. The team just doesn't have the D right now to pull that off.

They're back to 1 step forward, 2 steps back again. They keep lingering around 85-90% chance at making the playoffs.

Unless a top 4 is brought in, I think it's most unlikely, even if they do make the playoffs, that they'll win it all.

#3

Ugh that's giving up, I hate that, but reality keeps popping up.

[HockeyHeaven]

Here's who the Ducks have under contract for next season according to NHLNumbers.com:

FORWARDS
(Name - Salary)

Corey Perry - $5.375
Ryan Getzlaf - $5.125
Joffrey Lupul - $4.250
Todd Marchant - $1.250
Petteri Nokelainen - $0.950
George Parros - $0.875
MacGregor Sharp - $0.875
Ryan Carter - $0.725
Matt Beleskey - $0.620
Mike Brown - $0.575
Dan Sexton - $0.575
Troy Bodie - $0.500


DEFENSEMEN
(Name - Salary)

Ryan Whitney - $4.500
Steve Eminger - $1.500
Luca Sbisa - $0.825
Brett Festerling - $0.525

GOALIES
(Name - Salary)

J.S. Giguere - $7.000

Total salary committed - $36.095 million
Total cap hit (according to NHLNumbers.com) - $33.454 million
Available cap space if the cap remains the same - $23.346 million

RFA's
Bobby Ryan
Justin Pogge
Kyle Chipchura
James Wisniewski
Brendan Mikkelson

I think we need to get at least two defenseman, two or three forwards and a goalie signed - and that's assuming we keep the players we currently have. What players fill those roster spots, and whether those players come from the RFAs listed above, UFAs signed over the summer or via trade is what we are here to discuss.

The guys in bold are the only guys I wouldn't trade/make sure I signed.

The guys in italics are guys I think you can add to the bolded ones to formulate a contender.

So I've got 7 forwards and 3 defensemen that I'd keep, unless someone wanted to overpay.

They obviously have to either sign Hiller and trade Giguere or trade Hiller.

And I'm assuming Koivu, Selanne, and Niedermayer will not be back.

They need a defensive stud, a reliable stay-at-home defensemen, and a dynamic forward.

[Dark Knight]

And regardless, next year we'll be complaining that the team is underachieving, and then wishing we hadn't traded the good players away (as some have done regarding Pronger). Until the root of the issue is addressed, i.e. coaching, these problems will continue.

[TroyLoney]

And regardless, next year we'll be complaining that the team is underachieving, and then wishing we hadn't traded the good players away (as some have done regarding Pronger). Until the root of the issue is addressed, i.e. coaching, these problems will continue.

Please don't bring that into every single thread. If you have something to contribute to this discussion, great, I'd love to read it. If not, and if all you have to say is to complain about the coaching even though there's another entire thread dedicated to that, then I'd respectfully ask that you not say anything at all. I'm not a moderator but I am tired of having every thread be brought back to the same two or three arguments.

[Dark Knight]

Please don't bring that into every single thread. If you have something to contribute to this discussion, great, I'd love to read it. If not, and if all you have to say is to complain about the coaching even though there's another entire thread dedicated to that, then I'd respectfully ask that you not say anything at all. I'm not a moderator but I am tired of having every thread be brought back to the same two or three arguments.

That is my contribution to this discussion. Isn't this about what we need in 2010-2011? We need a coaching change. Don't want to read my posts? Fine, just ignore me.

[TroyLoney]

That is my contribution to this discussion. Is this about what we need in 2010-2011? We need a coaching change.

Here's how I started the thread:

I thought I'd create a thread for us to discuss who the Ducks have signed beyond this season and what we think GM Bob Murray should do before the trading deadline, at the draft and in free agency.

That doesn't say anything about the coaching staff but you've decided to make it clear, once again, that you think Carlyle should be fired. Fine. It's been noted, thanks for your contribution and now the rest of us will move on. For the record, and to avoid any confusion, the purpose of this thread was to discuss changes to the ROSTER. There are other threads to discuss changes to the coaching staff or front office.

Don't want to read my posts, ignore me.

I won't ignore you, or anyone else, because I want to hear what everyone has to say about things even if they are things I disagree with. I hope you continue to post in this thread and that we can have a civil, stimulating exchange of ideas.