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James Wisniewski: Is he worth re-signing?


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#1 letsgoducksdotcom

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 01:50 PM

In the midst of us coming down on everyone associated with the team, I feel obligated to bring up THIS guy!

What the hell happened to him? For example, in this very thread, L&G (quite properly at the time) brought up the fact that Wiz might be getting injuries because he plays too big for his body. When he came here he was banging on everyone, fighting for every puck. Mean, a bad attitude and nasty. Not to mention solid defensively and adequate on the point. Looked like a much better Francois Beauchemin. Looked to me like he had the potential to be a very very sold stay at home guy who would protect our weaker forwards and add something on offense.

Well he's had a big goal or two. The two shootout winners. But other than that, he's SUCKED.

Here's my theory: He's got a one year deal and he isn't gonna get hurt.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (letsgoducksdotcom @ Mar 8 2010, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's my theory: He's got a one year deal and he isn't gonna get hurt.


Could be true.

Now that Whitney is gone Wiz is easily the new whipping boy around these parts. smile.gif



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Posted 08 March 2010 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE (letsgoducksdotcom @ Mar 8 2010, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well he's had a big goal or two. The two shootout winners. But other than that, he's SUCKED.

Here's my theory: He's got a one year deal and he isn't gonna get hurt.



I think it's a combination of fear of injury...

and fear of suspension.

He was a bruiser to start the year too... he tapered off dramatically after his suspension for the hit on Doan.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 02:27 PM

He's been bad the last couple of months and I am not anxious to see him return. But, since Bob Murray seems to love to overpay underacheivers I have no doubt that Wisniewski will be here again next year...at no less than $3.5 million a year. sad.gif I hope I'm wrong.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (TroyLoney @ Mar 8 2010, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's been bad the last couple of months and I am not anxious to see him return. But, since Bob Murray seems to love to overpay underacheivers I have no doubt that Wisniewski will be here again next year...at no less than $3.5 million a year. sad.gif I hope I'm wrong.

For as much as I like Wiz and think he's got intangibles beyond his physical skills, I'll have to agree that committing that much to him would be a gamble.

I think it's high time that we relied on at least a couple of our young d-men to contribute not only in ice time, but to saving the team some Cap room with their ELC's. That's been an ingredient to a lot of the success in the NHL since the lockout, including our Cup win with a potent second line that was a bargain.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:38 PM

Unfortunate bump. I saw this thread and for a second believed we had re-signed him. smile.gif And I still would prefer that to trade his rights at the end of the season for virtually anything.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:12 PM

good to hear we will have wiz on the blueline next season, try to stay healthy though wiz smile.gif

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:13 PM

QUOTE (ducksfan13 @ Mar 8 2010, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
good to hear we will have wiz on the blueline next season, try to stay healthy though wiz smile.gif

Where did you hear that?

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:18 PM

We really need to have people rename these threads when we bring them back up, people are getting the wrong idea.... Wiz has not been re-signed

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (ladiesandgentlemen @ Mar 8 2010, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where did you hear that?

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i guess i didnt, sorry my bad... i thought there was a link but i was too lazy to check and see that was last year blush.gif

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:25 PM

I'll give him 2.5 the first year and 3 the next yr.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (jiggsawpuzzle35rules @ Mar 8 2010, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll give him 2.5 the first year and 3 the next yr.


That will goto arbitration, no way does he accept that

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:41 PM

No way does he even get 3 from arbitration... so let him go, we'll get a deal

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE (ducksfan13 @ Mar 8 2010, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i guess i didnt, sorry my bad... i thought there was a link but i was too lazy to check and see that was last year blush.gif

Not a prob. I thought you might have seen something, but didn't post it because you saw this and thought somebody had beat you to it.

And where has TheJoeMan been? Anybody heard from him, or see him on other boards? Very good Ducks fan MIA here...

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 05:58 PM

3 years, at 3.00M with incentives. If he want 4+ he has to earn it.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Sarge @ Mar 8 2010, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3 years, at 3.00M with incentives. If he want 4+ he has to earn it.

With the output he's putting up, no way he gets that for a borderline no. 4 d-man.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 09:18 PM

Wiz will get his 3 no problem, more than 3 is questionable but if you go the incentives route that may close the deal.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 09:34 PM

QUOTE (General:Moters @ Mar 8 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunate bump. I saw this thread and for a second believed we had re-signed him. smile.gif And I still would prefer that to trade his rights at the end of the season for virtually anything.

Indeed. I like the Wiz. I think he's a good calibre defenseman. I just don't think he's playing with heart, as it is the same with half the players on this team. The proof is in the pudding. Over the last 3 games, they should have scraped up at the least, 4 points. Not just 1. If you were to ask me why, I wouldn't be able to tell you for sure. It would be purely speculation. Besides we need all the good players we can get or keep, as we are rapidly approaching the eve of Teemu Selanne and Scott Niedermayer's departure from the hockey world; more important, this team.

I think they should re-sign the Wiz. As for how long and how much, well I think that's best left up to him and the front-office. wink.gif

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 09:37 PM

I'd rather sign a consistant and reliable defenceman for that kind of money.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Kariya9 @ Mar 8 2010, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd rather sign a consistant and reliable defenceman for that kind of money.


Agreed. I hope Bob Murray is able to trade Wisniewski this summer to a team that is interested in overpaying for a #4 defenseman.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:17 AM

QUOTE (TroyLoney @ Mar 9 2010, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. I hope Bob Murray is able to trade Wisniewski this summer to a team that is interested in overpaying for a #4 defenseman.



For whatever reason, Wiz seems to have backed off for the majority of this season. I don't care if it's cause he's trying to avoid injury, if he's mad at Carlyle, if he's only doing it cause everyone else is doing it. The physical aspect of his game is gone.

So he's an average (maybe even on the small) sized dman with average speed and average offense ... and, at best an erratic desire to be physical.

He can be someone else's #2 or #3 or even #4 Dman next year.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:22 AM

The more I watch the Ducks defense the more I am in favor of going with youth next season.

Visnovsky/Eminger
Festerling/Sbisa
Mikkelson/Mitera

It would be cheaper, get the same results on the ice and would give some valuable ice time to some young players.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE (TroyLoney @ Mar 9 2010, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The more I watch the Ducks defense the more I am in favor of going with youth next season.
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It would be cheaper, get the same results on the ice and would give some valuable ice time to some young players.

I agree. At some point, we need to be effective with the draft as a resource pool, rather than continue to bring in recycles and castoffs. CHI, for example, is not in the place they are because they built their defense through trades and free agency.

And at some point we need to realize that effective play from our blueliners on both ends of the ice is only achieved when the forwards are doing the same. Without any back-pressure in our end from all of our forwards working their butts off in the d-zone as well, the defense will continue to be porous.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE (TroyLoney @ Mar 9 2010, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The more I watch the Ducks defense the more I am in favor of going with youth next season.

Visnovsky/Eminger
Festerling/Sbisa
Mikkelson/Mitera

It would be cheaper, get the same results on the ice and would give some valuable ice time to some young players.



They should have done that this year. They claimed they didn't want to "ruin" Sbisa the way that LA and Atlanta have "ruined" Johnson, Doughty, and Bogosian...

I'd like to see them do that, with Niedermayer back for one more year at about $5 mil. But that's not likely.

Niedermayer/Sbisa
Visnovsky/Festerling
Mikkelson/Mitera

Then have:

Beleskey/Getz/Perry
Blake/FA/Ryan
Sharp/Carter/Sexton
Bodie/Chipchura/Brown



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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (HockeyHeaven @ Mar 9 2010, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Niedermayer/Sbisa
Visnovsky/Festerling
Mikkelson/Mitera


Eminger is under contract for next year so I think he has to fit in there somewhere.





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