So my son's private coach strongly suggested he try out for Pee Wee A & B SCAHA teams... when Free Agency starts in two weeks.
So I was wondering if any of you had any experience and if so, could you share some insight?
Now the list of questions:
-Any general advice for tryouts?
It looks like it will be a crazy weekend, rushing from rink to rink... I hate going into things not knowing what to expect...
- How does the process work, when are you notified if your child has made the cut?
- Is the offer letter presented on the spot if they make it?
- I know you must pay a deposit when you sign the letter of intent, and you may not tryout for another team if you have already signed with one.... so what happens if you don't sign right away?
- Is it safe to not sign and go to other tryouts? can they lose their spot?
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Started by Todrick, Jun 14 2010 08:03 AM
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 01:35 PM
since no one responded and we are now a couple days into try-outs...
figured I'd respond to myslef so future people who stumble on this have some of the answers....
some of this I experienced... some of it I watched others go through...
Crazy, stressful... these don't do it justice.
and really, even with it explained, you won't know what to expect until you actually experience it.
You spend hours deciding what tryouts your kid should do, then you talk to other parents about what teams have openings left, where your sons friends are trying out, what clubs are adding teams at certain divisions, etc... and change your entire plan...
you then rush to a new rink to put your kid on the ice and wait as your stomach turns in knots before the tryout ends and the list is posted on the wall saying who made it, who didn't and who needs to come back for another tryout...
you watch kids hopes and dreams get smashed in front of you when they learn the team they really wanted to play for have given them the dreaded "Thank you" release... meanwhile 3 feet to their left a kid is celebrating his "See coach" triumphant selection by the team of his dreams.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
I feel like i just spent my 21st birthday in Vegas.... I am tried, my head hurts and my stomach is wrecked...
in theory you find out immediately after the try-out.... IF they make it.
more often the coach will only pick a couple of the returning kids form last year and ask everyone to come back again... at which point you pay more money and do it again
at some point you get told you are not making the team... usually with a "thank you" posted next to your name...
however sometimes it will say "see coach" which usually means you made the team... but don't get your hopes up like some kids we saw... because sometimes you are only seeing the coach so he can explain that your child sucks....as if "Thank you" wasn't bad enough
Yes.
If they really want you on the team, they don't want you getting away.
No it is not.
I watched a kid this weekend turn down two teams because he had gotten a "please come back" from the team he really wanted to play for...
then at the second tryout he was given the dreaded "thank you"... and later learned that the other two teams already filled his position...
It was very sad.
As for us? We're not done yet. Lot's of Please come backs and "we want him IF we can fill a roster"
I'll fill you in later...
figured I'd respond to myslef so future people who stumble on this have some of the answers....
some of this I experienced... some of it I watched others go through...
QUOTE (Todrick @ Jun 14 2010, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-Any general advice for tryouts?
It looks like it will be a crazy weekend, rushing from rink to rink... I hate going into things not knowing what to expect...
It looks like it will be a crazy weekend, rushing from rink to rink... I hate going into things not knowing what to expect...
Crazy, stressful... these don't do it justice.
and really, even with it explained, you won't know what to expect until you actually experience it.
You spend hours deciding what tryouts your kid should do, then you talk to other parents about what teams have openings left, where your sons friends are trying out, what clubs are adding teams at certain divisions, etc... and change your entire plan...
you then rush to a new rink to put your kid on the ice and wait as your stomach turns in knots before the tryout ends and the list is posted on the wall saying who made it, who didn't and who needs to come back for another tryout...
you watch kids hopes and dreams get smashed in front of you when they learn the team they really wanted to play for have given them the dreaded "Thank you" release... meanwhile 3 feet to their left a kid is celebrating his "See coach" triumphant selection by the team of his dreams.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
I feel like i just spent my 21st birthday in Vegas.... I am tried, my head hurts and my stomach is wrecked...
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- How does the process work, when are you notified if your child has made the cut?
in theory you find out immediately after the try-out.... IF they make it.
more often the coach will only pick a couple of the returning kids form last year and ask everyone to come back again... at which point you pay more money and do it again
at some point you get told you are not making the team... usually with a "thank you" posted next to your name...
however sometimes it will say "see coach" which usually means you made the team... but don't get your hopes up like some kids we saw... because sometimes you are only seeing the coach so he can explain that your child sucks....as if "Thank you" wasn't bad enough
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- Is the offer letter presented on the spot if they make it?
Yes.
If they really want you on the team, they don't want you getting away.
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- I know you must pay a deposit when you sign the letter of intent, and you may not tryout for another team if you have already signed with one.... so what happens if you don't sign right away?
- Is it safe to not sign and go to other tryouts?
- Is it safe to not sign and go to other tryouts?
No it is not.
I watched a kid this weekend turn down two teams because he had gotten a "please come back" from the team he really wanted to play for...
then at the second tryout he was given the dreaded "thank you"... and later learned that the other two teams already filled his position...
It was very sad.
As for us? We're not done yet. Lot's of Please come backs and "we want him IF we can fill a roster"
I'll fill you in later...
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 02:29 PM
Is it any wonder we hear hockey players all the time thanking mom and dad for all the hard work, sacrifice and countless hours spent so that they could realize their dreams? I'm sure other sports are difficult, too, but it seems that hockey has an added level of difficulty to succeed.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 03:10 PM
QUOTE (MrsBevo @ Jun 28 2010, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it any wonder we hear hockey players all the time thanking mom and dad for all the hard work, sacrifice and countless hours spent so that they could realize their dreams? I'm sure other sports are difficult, too, but it seems that hockey has an added level of difficulty to succeed.
My in-laws who deal with travel basketball for my nephew don't deal with anything like this... and the league doesn't cost nearly as much either
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 07:39 PM
In my area of Minnesota, we never have had tryouts. I am from north of Duluth so it's mainly small town areas who are happy if they can field a hockey team. (My current alma mater high school does not have enough kids to have a high school team). I don't really have much advice on these.
Even when we have enough kids, we just keep adding teams.
Even when we have enough kids, we just keep adding teams.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 07:45 PM
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In my area of Minnesota, we never have had tryouts. I am from north of Duluth so it's mainly small town areas who are happy if they can field a hockey team. (My current alma mater high school does not have enough kids to have a high school team). I don't really have much advice on these.
Even when we have enough kids, we just keep adding teams.
Even when we have enough kids, we just keep adding teams.
That's basically how it is here in Southern Oregon. We're lucky if we can field the high school teams. The only tryouts are for the All-Star team made up of players from all the different high school teams but even there there isn't a huge tryout. The players that are good enough for the travel All-Star team are pretty well head and shoulders about the other kids and then there is the cost factor. Between those two options, the team is pretty well set.
Good information though from a part of the country I'm not familiar with when it comes to local youth hockey. Thanks!
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 04:05 PM
Update:
Aiden has signed with the Beach City Lightning.
Which works out great, because it was the team he really wanted to play for!
The funny thing was just before the last tryout, we had Aiden go and try for the Jr. Ducks and he... well he didn't even try!
It was actually pretty funny in hindsight... He had been clear he didn't want to play in their club (long story and nothing against the NHL Ducks)... but we were getting worried and didn't want to put all our eggs in one basket.
LOL, lesson learned.
He then proceeded to have the best tryout of the process with BCL... actually pulling off moves that had me staring with my jaw on the floor... I didn't even know he could play like that!
Now comes the slightly less stressful drama of filling out the rest of the roster through additional tryouts (which Aiden attends for free so the coaches can assess chemistry and what not. BCL is unique here, most clubs do require signed players to attend but they also still charge them the $20-$30 tryout fee!)...
We are all very excited, as it stands now the team is made up of members of Aiden's Anaheim Ice Tournament team from last season as well as a few players he became friends with during the tryout process... It's like this team was tailor made for him!
Also because they have no players returning form last year(they all moved up) Aiden was able to put in his # request 1st... in order he asked for:
27, 10 or 18
Scotty, Perry or Drew
Aiden has signed with the Beach City Lightning.
Which works out great, because it was the team he really wanted to play for!
The funny thing was just before the last tryout, we had Aiden go and try for the Jr. Ducks and he... well he didn't even try!
It was actually pretty funny in hindsight... He had been clear he didn't want to play in their club (long story and nothing against the NHL Ducks)... but we were getting worried and didn't want to put all our eggs in one basket.
LOL, lesson learned.
He then proceeded to have the best tryout of the process with BCL... actually pulling off moves that had me staring with my jaw on the floor... I didn't even know he could play like that!
Now comes the slightly less stressful drama of filling out the rest of the roster through additional tryouts (which Aiden attends for free so the coaches can assess chemistry and what not. BCL is unique here, most clubs do require signed players to attend but they also still charge them the $20-$30 tryout fee!)...
We are all very excited, as it stands now the team is made up of members of Aiden's Anaheim Ice Tournament team from last season as well as a few players he became friends with during the tryout process... It's like this team was tailor made for him!
Also because they have no players returning form last year(they all moved up) Aiden was able to put in his # request 1st... in order he asked for:
27, 10 or 18
Scotty, Perry or Drew
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 04:23 PM
Nice. Glad to see it all worked out. That must make you feel good too. A long weekend (or more) of work to see it pay off for him. Congrats to both of you!
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 04:30 PM
VERY COOL!!! Congrats Aiden!! 
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Nice. Glad to see it all worked out. That must make you feel good too. A long weekend (or more) of work to see it pay off for him. Congrats to both of you!
yeah it does.
"Proud" doesn't do the feeling justice.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 04:13 PM
Small update:
my son's team still needs to find a few pieces, 2F, 2D, 1G if you know any Pee Wees, pass the word: bclhockey.com
and...
We did wearables day(uniform sizing and what not) on Saturday.
It's official, my son will be wearing #27!
He is very happy.
my son's team still needs to find a few pieces, 2F, 2D, 1G if you know any Pee Wees, pass the word: bclhockey.com
and...
We did wearables day(uniform sizing and what not) on Saturday.
It's official, my son will be wearing #27!
He is very happy.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 07:28 PM
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Small update:
my son's team still needs to find a few pieces, 2F, 2D, 1G if you know any Pee Wees, pass the word: bclhockey.com
and...
We did wearables day(uniform sizing and what not) on Saturday.
It's official, my son will be wearing #27!
He is very happy.
my son's team still needs to find a few pieces, 2F, 2D, 1G if you know any Pee Wees, pass the word: bclhockey.com
and...
We did wearables day(uniform sizing and what not) on Saturday.
It's official, my son will be wearing #27!
He is very happy.
Is he a smooth skating dman?
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Is he a smooth skating dman?
Depends...
when he plays D... yes.
He plays D with thoughtful patience, never seeming to get flustered. and he is one of the better skaters, which helps make up for his lack of physicality on the blue line.
When he plays forward, he's focused, antagonistic and loves the toe drag. He will drive the net without regard for himself (or the goalie). It seems like he thinks his most successful shifts are the ones when an opposing player, or goalie, takes a swing at him.
Last season he wore #10, this season due to Scott's retirement he went with #27. It's always neck and neck... but for the time being, Scott is his "favorite player, ever"
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QUOTE (Todrick @ Jun 28 2010, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
figured I'd respond to myslef so future people who stumble on this have some of the answers....
Excellent recap of the process (pro-sess, as Carlyle would say).
You left out the parts where:
1) you agonize over every minute flaw in your child's stride, stick handling or positioning; and
2) you completely pick apart every aspect of each of the other children's skill sets - and openly hope that the evaluating coach noticed the grevious error. (by the way, if you're at all like 99.97825% of the other parents, you'll be doing that all season long with any teammate who gets more ice time than you son)
It's a horrible process that I hope I get to go through for many more years.
Congrats to Aiden. I'm glad all his hard work paid off.
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 03:18 PM
Concrats to Aiden!
27 is a good number.
I understand a little of these NA terms peewee etc. How old is he and what is the level of the league? How many games are in the season? How many practices in the week? Off ice practices? How much does it cost in there? I'd love to get some info, actually a lot more ...
The posts above have been AWESOME! As I have been writing aboutt the adventures of my son Christopher, it would be really nice to know about the kids hockey life out there!
27 is a good number.
I understand a little of these NA terms peewee etc. How old is he and what is the level of the league? How many games are in the season? How many practices in the week? Off ice practices? How much does it cost in there? I'd love to get some info, actually a lot more ...
The posts above have been AWESOME! As I have been writing aboutt the adventures of my son Christopher, it would be really nice to know about the kids hockey life out there!
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 03:59 PM
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Concrats to Aiden!
27 is a good number.
I understand a little of these NA terms peewee etc. How old is he and what is the level of the league?
27 is a good number.
I understand a little of these NA terms peewee etc. How old is he and what is the level of the league?
It's based on birth years...
Currently:
mite - 2002, 2003
squirt - 2000, 2001
pee wee - 1998, 1999
bantam - 1996, 1997
then at midget they specify 16 or 18((under 16 or 18 respectively)
which is tough, because Aiden, While only 10 right now due to a late October birthday, is a a 1999 Pee wee, so essentially playing up a level each year.
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How many games are in the season?
There are
16 games in the season
4 preseason
and then random tournaments
for a total of somewhere between 30-40 games from September - May (some team play 50+)
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How many practices in the week? Off ice practices?
1 full sheet
1 1/2 sheet
1 on / off ice clinic (it alternates each week)
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How much does it cost in there?
this is where things get muddy...
Team dues vary by team, but figure between $2,800 and $3,200 for the season.
This covers ice time and league games, dry land practices and practice jerseys
Add in game jerseys, socks, team embroidered warm-up outfits and equipment bags
Some team require matching gloves, helmets, polo shirts, shorts
and some teams also require suits be worn to/from the rink.
So gear and league fees your looking at a total of about $4,000
Then tournaments are extra, that's usually $1,200 - $1,500 per tournament / per team so < $100 per player.
Travel at your own expense, hotel at your own expense, food at your own expense....
coaches travel, room and food is covered by parents.
All told it can easily get in the neighborhood of $10,000 a year, We are aiming for < $7,000 or so for our players this year.
with our furthest tournament being Colorado and most being no or little travel.
Though league play can include games anywhere form San Diego to Bakersfield.
QUOTE (ahtikullervo @ Jul 13 2010, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd love to get some info, actually a lot more ... The posts above have been AWESOME! As I have been writing aboutt the adventures of my son Christopher, it would be really nice to know about the kids hockey life out there!
The posts above have been AWESOME! As I have been writing aboutt the adventures of my son Christopher, it would be really nice to know about the kids hockey life out there!Read my son's blog... he will keep it updated throughout the season... He's not your average 10 year old... as you will gather from his blog... makes for some fun reading.
Aiden.Todrick.net
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 05:08 AM
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It's based on birth years...
Currently:
mite - 2002, 2003
squirt - 2000, 2001
pee wee - 1998, 1999
bantam - 1996, 1997
then at midget they specify 16 or 18((under 16 or 18 respectively)
which is tough, because Aiden, While only 10 right now due to a late October birthday, is a a 1999 Pee wee, so essentially playing up a level each year.
There are
16 games in the season
4 preseason
and then random tournaments
for a total of somewhere between 30-40 games from September - May (some team play 50+)
1 full sheet
1 1/2 sheet
1 on / off ice clinic (it alternates each week)
this is where things get muddy...
Team dues vary by team, but figure between $2,800 and $3,200 for the season.
This covers ice time and league games, dry land practices and practice jerseys
Add in game jerseys, socks, team embroidered warm-up outfits and equipment bags
Some team require matching gloves, helmets, polo shirts, shorts
and some teams also require suits be worn to/from the rink.
So gear and league fees your looking at a total of about $4,000
Then tournaments are extra, that's usually $1,200 - $1,500 per tournament / per team so < $100 per player.
Travel at your own expense, hotel at your own expense, food at your own expense....
coaches travel, room and food is covered by parents.
All told it can easily get in the neighborhood of $10,000 a year, We are aiming for < $7,000 or so for our players this year.
with our furthest tournament being Colorado and most being no or little travel.
Though league play can include games anywhere form San Diego to Bakersfield.
Read my son's blog... he will keep it updated throughout the season... He's not your average 10 year old... as you will gather from his blog... makes for some fun reading.
Aiden.Todrick.net
Currently:
mite - 2002, 2003
squirt - 2000, 2001
pee wee - 1998, 1999
bantam - 1996, 1997
then at midget they specify 16 or 18((under 16 or 18 respectively)
which is tough, because Aiden, While only 10 right now due to a late October birthday, is a a 1999 Pee wee, so essentially playing up a level each year.
There are
16 games in the season
4 preseason
and then random tournaments
for a total of somewhere between 30-40 games from September - May (some team play 50+)
1 full sheet
1 1/2 sheet
1 on / off ice clinic (it alternates each week)
this is where things get muddy...
Team dues vary by team, but figure between $2,800 and $3,200 for the season.
This covers ice time and league games, dry land practices and practice jerseys
Add in game jerseys, socks, team embroidered warm-up outfits and equipment bags
Some team require matching gloves, helmets, polo shirts, shorts
and some teams also require suits be worn to/from the rink.
So gear and league fees your looking at a total of about $4,000
Then tournaments are extra, that's usually $1,200 - $1,500 per tournament / per team so < $100 per player.
Travel at your own expense, hotel at your own expense, food at your own expense....
coaches travel, room and food is covered by parents.
All told it can easily get in the neighborhood of $10,000 a year, We are aiming for < $7,000 or so for our players this year.
with our furthest tournament being Colorado and most being no or little travel.
Though league play can include games anywhere form San Diego to Bakersfield.
Read my son's blog... he will keep it updated throughout the season... He's not your average 10 year old... as you will gather from his blog... makes for some fun reading.
Aiden.Todrick.net
Cool. So in a way he is in the same class with Christopher - born 16.06.2000. So some comparisons on cost of hockey in here:
- monthly club fee 125 USD, seson 10 x 125 USD = 1250 USD
- games 25 USD home, 15 USD away. As we play in 2000 and 1999 series in Estonia there is ca 40 games = 800 USD
- Finnish league games 20. Boat tickets + other travel costs: 1667 USD
- licences for Estonian and Finnish league 100 USD
- tournaments usually cost 650 USD (team) + 15 USD per day player. Travel costs to add. Lat year we played in 6 tournaments. Alltogether let's say 1200 USD
- jerseys, practice jerseys, team jacket, practice suits (2 didfferent) 400 USD
- coaches
- summer camps and stuff is extra...
So it is about 90 games. 3 practices on ice (1/2 ice as we share it with peewee group). And 2 a week 30 minutes warm up. So about 6000 without extra stuff. And with everything extra this season: 8000 USD. That is without costs of gear. Crazy as I feel some times... My travels added it sounds even crazier...
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And with everything extra this season: 8000 USD. That is without costs of gear. Crazy as I feel some times... My travels added it sounds even crazier...
There is no doubt we are crazy hockey parents.
Best of luck with your son's season, too Ahti.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:33 AM
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Cool. So in a way he is in the same class with Christopher - born 16.06.2000. So some comparisons on cost of hockey in here:
No.
Christopher would be a Squirt, Aiden is one level up at Pee Wee.
Question for you...
at what age is checking legal?
Here it's Pee Wee, as are Slap Shots.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 11:19 AM
We do it more or less from the start. As we believe that boys playing against their age group are not dangerous towars each other already in the very beginning (at the age of 5-6). The key word is same age. It is not allowed when there is age differnce more than 2 years in the group as then body masses are very different and boys can hurt each other.
We also encourage the shoulder against shoulder ffrom the very beginning. We believe that body contact and penalty - ramming into standing guy at the board for example are different issue. Slap shots allowed from the start too.
In Finnish leagues there used to regulations, but year ago much of them were lifted. As also there were regulations for squirt boys to not use composite sticks and to play with woodern ones only. Now it is gone.
And yes Christopher playes both in 2000 and 1999 league. So later one seems the same where Aiden is playing? Home site of Christopher team: http://www.purikad.ee, he personally has also is site in facebook.
We also encourage the shoulder against shoulder ffrom the very beginning. We believe that body contact and penalty - ramming into standing guy at the board for example are different issue. Slap shots allowed from the start too.
In Finnish leagues there used to regulations, but year ago much of them were lifted. As also there were regulations for squirt boys to not use composite sticks and to play with woodern ones only. Now it is gone.
And yes Christopher playes both in 2000 and 1999 league. So later one seems the same where Aiden is playing? Home site of Christopher team: http://www.purikad.ee, he personally has also is site in facebook.
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