Well, at least baseball camps are opening this week

Well it's over for 2004-05...hopefuully the agreement can get done so there can be a draft and a full 2005-06 season....back to the WHL for me.

A truly black day for the National Hockey League, and hockey fans in North America.

Memorial Cup playoffs anyone?

Can't say I'm surprised. I'm not sorry to see this season cancelled (see my posts elsewhere). But I do agree they better keep talking and work this mess out before long or next season could be toast as well. Will they take back the offers made? Is it back to square 1 (or is it square 0)?

... oh and fire Bettman and Goodenow asap.

The fat lady has sung her last notes ...

I too can't say that I'm unhappy that the season is toast, but the NHL and the NHLPA better keep working at the CBA if they want to see any fans back in the arenas.

After all of the progress the last day, you'd think they could at least come up with the CBA...and even if this season was toast at least the anticipation for next season would be there...now we are forced to sit and wait and hope that the deal will get done or else we face the same disappointment for next season and probably the end of the NHL....oh yeah and please FIRE BETTMAN and GOODENOW!!!!

Too right on that last comment. And from what I saw of the conference on the net, they are going to take back those offers, since he does not know how damaged the sport is going to be. He mentioned something about ticket pricing to get fans back. So, I am sure this is going to a long drawn out piece of cr@p all over again. Will be somewhat interesting to see the "rebuttal" conference.

Okay, maybe I was one of a few that thought there was a chance. I truly feel stunned, and as of this moment, I feel like I never want to watch NHL hockey again. Only bummer is I have a closet full of NHL stuff that I can't sell as no one cares about hockey at this moment to buy anything. Well, it can sit there until a season someday does resume. I sound morose right now, I feel that way as well. I am going to call the Staple Center and the Pond and ask for my $$$ back. They really don't need to make interest off of it. They will have to offer a lot of incentive to get me back to wasting my hard earned money on them. I did enjoy the last 4 years of going to the Pond, I met a lot of cool friends, including you fun people on All-Ducks. Now I understand some people who where immensely POed over baseball several years ago and took a long time to go back to watching it. Being morose again, sorry, I just feel so blue about all of this. Going to games was really a huge part of my fun factor. Getting dressed up in hockey gear and going to the Pond with my friends was my main source of fun. When it doesn't pain me to read about hockey I'll be back here... Hugs to all!

Francaise

Cool, I don't have to worry about the Superleague anymore. All the NHLers will stay where they are!

Bah, wasn't the season canceled last time and a deal reached the next day? Wishful thinking. I'm off to buy me a baseball bat...

Ahhh I hope that's not true.

Yes, this is a dark day for the game we all love but I hope no one leaves our AD family because of a bunch of greedy morons couldn't compromise. They may have ruined our sport but don't let them ruin our friendships as well. After all Veca is nearly at her 7000th post, you don't want to miss that.

I'm not going to comment on the press conference as I may lose my temper and it's not worth it. I had a feeling in my wonky bones that the season would get cancelled, I've more important things to worry about than that lot.

Bettman's cancellation statement: <link>


Nobody was "wishing" hard enough ...

In 1919, when the Stanley Cup was not skated, the Chicaco Black Socks scandal and the Boston Red Socks winning the pennant were also big news.

In 2005, when the Stanley Cup will again not be skated, the Chicago Cubs among other baseball clubs are in the midst of a steroid scandal and the Boston Red Socks are again the champions of baseball.

It's all baseball's fault!!

Francaise - because the season is canceled they will legally have to return all deposits. At least with the Ducks, you earned interest.

I am not surprised by this turn of events at all. However, when you finally get close enough that you are only $7million away in disagreement - you cannot manage to split the difference and call it good? Both sides have been stubborn and unmoving. The real costs are coming down the line of this attitude and decision.

So at this point, there is no draft in June because there is no agreement. Will there be a 2005?

No hockey, sad, but expected. Both sides are stubborn jackasses and I doubt any agreement will be met soon. It's pretty pathetic that they are NOW speaking to the fans about the situation, after it's all about the millions they make; I hope they have enough to buy their platinum toilet seats.

Here's some funnies to lighten things up a bit...... representing one side that got us to this point.

Representing the other side that broke our hearts...





Edited to say that you can find more funnies
here

Yup....it's all over!!! We were watching ESPN this morning, hoping to hear good news, instead we got to be creeped out by Bettman and his "my way or the highway" stance!!

Interesting that Bettman is so adamant about NO third party getting involved. The players are willing to let this be heard by an independent Arbitrator while Bettman will not hear of it. In any hearing, the books, all of them would come out and it's clear the NHL will have none of that.
The guys at ESPN couldn't believe that with the players giving in so much, the NHL would not budge. Many seem to feel that what was becoming a splintered union, reconnected after reading Bettmans final letter. Here the players went behind Goodenows back and gave in to so much, yet Bettman takes this no compromise stance.

There were some interesting points made by the guys at ESPN. Many feel that the biggest block to any agreement is the clash between Bettman and Goodenow. Gosh, 'ya think??
I'm sure that Bettman was also bolstered by the fans support, something that the guys at ESPN talked about. With fans still feeling that hockey players are all millionaires and should give in to the demands of the owners, I fear he had no intention of giving an inch! As the guys said, not all the players are well off and a lot are struggling to pay their bills. It's very hard to adjust to a lower income or no income for anyone. Been there, done that. Even for a hockey player.

Well, that is how life works. Butt heads rule and what can we do????

Yay?

The league minimum salary is $185,000, so I'm wondering who the players are who aren't well off? And getting $10,000 of lockout pay isn't helping them pay the bills?

I don't know why the NHL and PA couldn't just agree on a 45 million cap...sounds like a good comprimise to me.

MrsBevo, WHY do you like to state the obvious with me? No duh, since I HAVE been a season ticket holder for several years, I do know the rules of the whole thing. I was mad about the season and venting. Like NO one ever vents? BTW, it was more than a deposit, I had paid for my whole season.

Ms. B: I have a deposit for two seats with the Ducks and I have called and they have not responded. I never bought the actual tickets because of the lockout -- my thought was why put more into it than the deposit? Anyway, do we really get the "deposit" back? And how do you know this? And who do I talk to at the Ducks?

Quacksmeup....I received an email from my ticket rep. They are in the process of sending the letters today to ALL people who paid money fro any type of tix for the Ducks. Within a few days you will receive a letter asking what you wnat to do. You will have a choice to keep the money on the books, or fro a refund. Quacksmeup, if you don't hear anything from them, PM me, I'll give you my guys direct number to call. Or if you want it anyway, PM me and I'll send it to you. :>)))
Francaise.

Quacksmeup, I re-read your post, sounds like you want to talk to someone. Check your PM, I sent you a direct number to call. :>)

Thanks Francaise! I will try it. I actually have two reps who I have been calling at various times for various things, but they give me different info. It's confusing.

I fear the reps are as confused as we all are.......this has to have some impact on their jobs as well...

Those are the people I feel sorry for, the folks working for the teams/arenas. I know the employees in the Canucks front office have been working 4 day weeks at 80% of their usual pay since September...

I only can cry,cry,cry and cry!!!
That sucks!!!

I'm with YOU duckingermany!

OK, I'll get caylisdad701 to watch the baby & we'll take our ticket money and go to that nice Italian restaurant at F.I. & splurge (dessert included!)



Oh, oh, oh, can I buy your Brodeur jersey?!??

I can always use another blanket for the baby...

Isn't that jersey only worth 2 red cents?

No, dahling, that's the Shields jersey...

MEOW!!! (slap slap slap)

How about a Sean Avery jersey???

No one gets my Jiggy jersey.....

Didn't mean to offend Francaise. Just stating what I had read. By virtue of canceling the season, they had no legal right to keep monies on deposit and have to offer them back to you (which they apparently did).

We're all a little upset about the loss of hockey. No need to snap my head off for a response that wasn't meant to be insulting, dear.

I think we are all so upset right now.....we fans must stick together and if "they" are mean to us, we have to be nice to each other. Can't let those bozos ruin things for us any more than they already have!!!

I really thought they could get something done at the last moment. Guess I was wrong once again.

From watching ESPN yesterday, I think Goodenow is on a slippery slope with the players. Darrel (sp?) Pang was saying he had been talking to players all day, and quite a few of them were really angery with how Goodenow had handle this. Many had gone behind Goodenow's back to try to get something done, many more were trying to get a hold of him to get him to make one final offer of a $45 million cap. From what players like Yzerman have said, I say lets give them a few days and see what the players do. If they went behind Goodenow's back once, they may do it again.

As for Bettman, I can not believe that he finally gets the players to agree to a cap and now he want to call off all negotiations and start from scratch???? All deals off the table??? You are this close and you now want to turn back and start over? I don't understand that.

I wonder if both sides would allow us to give them IQ tests before the next round of talks start.

Unfortunately with legal matters that's how it goes. When a deal is offered it usually has a sunset clause which expires with the time set for the deal to be made. If these conditions aren't acceptable then, there's no reason to believe they'd be acceptable later. It's very common.

Not snapping your head off...This isn't the first time you've patronized me... I never said I didn't think I'd get my $$ back. Perhaps you read someone else's post and thought it was me.

Actually Mrs. B it was me that was asking the questions, and I was just asking and hoping you could help me. Francaise pointed me in the right direction -- she is totally blameless. -Quacks Me Up

Okay let's not get wound up over a wee misundertanding, we're all friends it should be the suits & the players that feel our wrath not each other.

Group hug

Barmy, I'm not wrathing anyone..

Barmy,


I WANT TO HIT SOMEBODY!!!! Just nobody in this forum. Mostly those suits you were talking about above, but I will need some of those players to do it for me (I am a very fragile 5'9")

Fragile? No!!! We'll get some bulky guys to help us, okay? hehehehehehehehehe

I'm about as fragile as a Mack truck.....

vrooom vrooom..........

hehehehehe

I'm a blue belt in Tae Kwon Do...do you think that might help?

Geez! And here I was offering the "gallant and noble" D'Artagnan's services to the fair ladies of the board. You need chivalry like I need a bad hair day.

If our dog stays in the fridge much longer, HE'LL have a bad hair day. No, DropthePuck, I need you. Please be gallant for me then. Ah do declahre!

Ah Lady Francaise ... you most certainly know how to turn the tide. Thusly, be assured that you and other fair ladies of the board may call on the gallantry of Aramis, Athos, D'Artagnan, and Porthos.



All for one and one for all!